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yes he was a shoemaker

Yes, I think the Mary Anns have got mixed up along the way.

thank you very much for your help and im sure now this her parents

apparently i made a mistake she was born in 1855/6 so it would probably be her

I'm afraid I'm not sure at all.

The 1881 census for Thomas the shoemaker can't be her husband.

If it's her mother's husband then ??????????

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1871 England Census
William F Gwin
Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Gwin Mother's Name: Maria Gwin Gender: Male Where born: London, England Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household schedule number: 59

James Gwin 29 Fishporter
Maria Gwin 28
Tobin Gwin 10
John J Gwin 8
James Gwin 6
William F Gwin 4
Catherine E Gwin 2
Frederic G Gwin 1
Frederic T Sadler 24

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 487; Folio: 6; Page: 10; GSU roll: 823373.

Added:
The writing on the census could be Ewin.
However, it is probably Gwin, Has he been found in 1871 under any name?
Thanks

you can see why i needed help i am totally useless with all this i do appreciate it.

the name on the certificate was definately Ewin not Gwin thank you

Lynda, a word of advice - don't get too caught up with exact names. Old writing can be difficult to read and names often get trnscribed incorrectly. Also, the person who wrote the entry put what he heard which could be quite different to what was said.

My favourite example is smiths from my family mis-transcribed as Waitt!! It says smith on the image but hard to read unless you already know what it says.

Jan

If Mary Ann was born in 1855/6 and married thomas harris 1880 she would have been 25 and she later married a Thomas short he died after having 3 children and on the next marriage certificate it stated her as mary ann Harris but its showing William Ewin as her father (deceased)

thanks Jan i think i have expected names to be accurate much appreciate your help and advice

Does this have any relevance whatsoever?

1911

TALBOT, Thomas Head Married
12 years M 56 1855 Cabinet Maker Stepney London VIEW
TALBOT, Mary Ann Wife Married
12 years F 55 1856 London Bethnal Green VIEW
TALBOT, Samuel Son Single M 21 1890 Feather Dyer London Bethnal Green VIEW
TALBOT, James Son Single M 19 1892 Cabinet Maker London Bethnal Green VIEW
TALBOT, Benjamin Son Single M 16 1895 Butcher London Bethnal Green VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1405 Reference:
RG14PN1405 RG78PN49 RD17 SD1 ED24 SN253

Registration District:
Bethnal Green Sub District:
Bethnal Green North East Enumeration District:
24 Parish:
Bethnal Green

Address:
23 Bonwell St Bethnal Green County:
London

yes its them i hadnt seen the 1911 census but they were married in 1889 confirming married 12 years is there any was i can get details of her birth certificate?which would then tell me her mothers name and maybe her father how would i get this?

sorry my sums are wrong but i know its them as they were the 3 sons he had before they got married

The Mary Ann Short who married Thomas Harris was born c1860 so the William Ewin born 1867 couldn't be her father.

ok thanks Mike at least thats something definate

This looks like Mary Ann short


Births Jun 1860
SHORT Mary Ann - Marylebone 1a 405


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MARY ANN SHORT
Event(s):
Birth: 20 MAY 1860

Christening: 21 OCT 1860 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
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Parents:
Father: MATTHEW SHORT
Mother: MARY ANN


Which marriage cert has William Ewin as father ?

the marriage between Mary ann Harris and Thomas Talbot

So the marriage of 1899.

So the Mary Ann born 1885/86 would be 14.
Is that what age it gives on the cert ?

this mary ann was born in 1856