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Allan


Have you got your dates correct for Demetrius' father??


This is on the new familysearch site, death of Demetrius, and it says he was born in 1842 .................. which doesn't fit with what you said about his father Charles being born ca 1837


record title: Russia Deaths and Burials, 1815-1917

name: Demetrius Rudolph Peacock
gender: Male
death date: 11 May 1892
death place: Odessa, Russia
age: 50
birth date: 1842
occupation: Consul General,Odessa
indexing project (batch) number: B01499-1
system origin: Russia-EASy
source film number: 1494318



His father would have had to have been born at least by 1822.

I can find no Charles Peacocks from Lancashire.



sylvia

Hi Sylvia in Canada! Thanks for helping.

I think you're right.

I now have it that Charles Peacock, the father of Demetrius Rudolf Peacock (1842-1892) - was born in 1820 in Manchester, Lancashire according to the 1841 census.

Also, in the Emory Family Tree it notes: Charles Peacock, Birth: Lancashire. Death: Russia.

So that must be him.

When Charles Peacock left Lancashire for Russia, he had just got married to a local girl, and apparently he was 'unemployed' at the time - though I don't know why this was so, in view of the fact that his father was a farmer in Lancashire.

Charles would have left for Tambov Province (Oblast) in Russia in about 1843. He was responding to the Jobs Vacant section in his local Lancashire newspaper.

I don't know the name of his wife of his mother.

Best Wishes,
Allan

I can find no Charles Peacock born Manchester ca 1820 who was the son of a farmer ..... the only one of that age that I found was living with his mother in Manchester, father not present, and occupation Blacksmith.


The 1841 Census does not give relationships, or status, so no way of telling whether the older woman was a widow or not, or even whether she was that Charles Peacock's mother.


I can find no marriage around 1841 + / - 5 years in Lancashire for a Charles Peacock.


I cna find no Charles Peacock b. ca 1820 on either the Lancs opc site nor the familysearch site.



I did find the Rod Emory tree on ancestry, and note that it mentions the name of "Dmitri" mother


Charles Peacock
Birth in Lancashire, England
Death in Russia

Spouse & Children

Concordia Schlegel

Dmitri Rudolf Peacock
1842 – 1892



It wuld be good to know just where the evidence came from for his birth in Lancashire.


There are many more Charles Peacocks from other parts of the UK than from Manchester



and Manchester, even in 1820, was not exactly a place of farms!




sylvia

To be honest, I'm wondering whether

a) Charles Peacock on the 1841 has just been chosen because he was born ca 1820 ......... he's a Blacksmith! Nothing mentioned about beign a farmer.


b) where the information came from that Demetrius' father was called Charles, and his father was called Charles



That Emory tree does not seem to have any documentation!




sylvia

remote chance


1841 census - household transcription
Person: PEACOCK, -
Address: Piccadilly, Manchester
HEWITT, Henry M 40 1801
HEWITT, Elizabeth F 30 1811
HEWITT, Henry M 15 1826
HEWITT, Alice F 0 (2 months) 1841 Lancashire
WEBSTER, Betsey F 25 1816 Lancashire
BURTON, Ann F 20 1821
WHYATT, John M 30 1811
MILLER, John M 20 1821
KYLAN, William M 15 1826 Ireland
KELLY, Margaret F 20 1821 Ireland
GRIFFITHS, Elizabeth F 30 1811
OWEN, Ellen F 25 1816
BULLEN, Joseph M 30 1811
JONES, Abraham M 20 1821 Scotland
WILSON, Edward M 25 1816 Lancashire
TOWNSEND, Harriett F 20 1821 Lancashire
COGLAN, William M 20 1821 Ireland
CUTHBERT, John M 30 1811 Not Known
-, - M 25 1816 Not Known
ROBERTS, - M 30 1811 Not Known
HILDERTON, John M 25 1816 Not Known
HAYTROW, - M 25 1816 Not Known
EDWARDS, - M 25 1816 Not Known
JEFFRIES, - M 25 1816 Not Known
PEACOCK, - M 20 1821 Not Known
EDDIE, - M 20 1821 Not Known

describes himself as a traveller.

i would be very care careful with other trees.

there is one on ancestry who does not know details of her own grandmother
ranks herself as an expert
erroneously attaches herslf to OH's tree
on investigation she has greek god and goddesses in her tree.

other trees may help but they may also be in error.

prove everything yourself.

ok looked at that tree.

looks like they are researching from descendants of henry so have some documentation

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
about Henry K Peacock Name: Henry K Peacock
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Birth Place: Russia
Age: 40
Date of Arrival: 24 Aug 1924
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Antonia
also tells us he was a merchant travelling from london on busines
and has citizenship in london
he was single and previously visited canada in 1918

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Henry Peacock Name: Henry Peacock
Arrival Date: 31 Jul 1918
Birth Year: abt 1884
Birth Location: Russia
Birth Location Other: torjok
Age: 33 Years 11 Months
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Aquitania

gives destination as tokyo

Name: PEACOCK, HENRY KASTCHKAL
Initials: H K
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Date of Death: 11/09/1943
Additional information: Husband of Helen Peacock, of 133 S. Elm Drive, Beverley Hills, California, U.S.A. Died at Shanghai General Hospital.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: CHINA

Thank you Sylvia and LadyKira.

Some more good research.

My aunt was Eugenia Peacock, and she was born and lived in Russia until after WWII.

In the book 'Memories of Revolution: Russian Women Remember' - It was she who told about her father, Charles (Albert) Peacock, and her grandfather Dimitri Rudolph Peacock, and her great grandfather Charles Peacock who arrived in Russia as the son of a Lancashire farmer called Charles Peacock.

Generations of the Peacocks lived about 200 miles north-west of Moscow, and so it was easy for my aunt to know her paternal line back to Lancashire.

LadyKira - those travel detail definitely refer to 'my' Henry Peacock. I was told by my mother that this uncle of hers, with one of his brothers - were employed by the Hudson Bay fur company in Canada.

Thank you both for being such a help!

Best Regards,
Allan

i think one of the difficulties on this tree is the possible variances in transliteration from russian to english alphabet and that may hamper our search

eg
Yevgeniya on the Emory tree

is also eugenia

both interpretations of the same russian name.

Seattle Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1957
about Helen Peacock Name: Helen Peacock
Arrival Date: 11 Sep 1940
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: 1903
Birthplace: Russia
Last Residence: Manchuko
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: Russian
Ship Name: Yawata Maru
Port of Arrival: Seattle, Washington
Port of Departure: Kobe, Japan
Line: 3
Microfilm Roll Number: M1383_256

travelling with Eric Alan peacock

Eric was 10 years olf born harbin manchuria

Page:Dictionary of National Biography volume 44.djvu/149

PEACOCK, DMITRI RUDOLF (1842- 1892), traveller and philologist, was born on 26 Sept, 1842 at the village of Shakhma- novka, district of Kozlov, in the government of Tambov, Russia, being the son of Charles Peacock, estate manager, and his wife Con- cordia, whose maiden name was Schlegel. He was educated at a school in England, and afterwards at the university of Moscow. On 25 Oct. 1881 he was appointed vice- consul at Batoum, which had then risen to considerable importance in consequence of its annexation by the Russians. He became consul on 27 JanJ.890. He is said to have owed his appointments to his familiarity with the Russian language. Certainly few foreigners were better acquainted than he with the lan- guages and customs of the mountaineers of the Caucasus, among whom he had established such friendly relations that he was admitted into their most remote fastnesses.


Sylvia was correct about english education then.

http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/wigan-england-free-public-library-reference-de/catalogue-of-books-volume-7-ala/page-25-catalogue-of-books-volume-7-ala.shtml

Peacock (Dmitri Rudolf, traveller and philologist, 1842-1892.) [Life of Dmitri Rudolf Peacock,
by W. R. Morfill.] Stephen (Sir L.) and Lee (S.) Diet, of Nat. Biography, vol. 44. 1895.


an E book about him

LadyKira - it's incredible what you've managed to dig up here.

I can only say a very big "Thank you" to you and my other kind helpers.

I think Dmitri or Dimitri is the correct spelling - and not the Greek 'Demetrius'.

My niece - who I'm planning to surprise with this Family History and a chart of the tree - speaks and writes perfect Russia, so she'll know for sure which version is correct.

I had no idea that someone had written about Dimitri Rudolph Peacock.

I'm also intrigued by the fact that the Peacocks retained their British passports from way back around 1860 when the first Peacock arrived in Russia.

In around 1930 Dimitri's son Charles Albert Peacock made a special trip from Tashkent to Leningrad just to get his British passport updated so that he would be allowed to leave Stalin's Soviet Russia. He then went to Harbin. It had become increasingly dangerous for him because he was labelled a NEPman by the Stalinist regime.

My mother, Germaine Lucille Peacock spent a few years in a girls' boarding school in Vancouver. She was at this school in 1923 when she was told of her parents being killed in Yokohama by The Great Kanto Earthquake.

Her parent's housemaid later reported that Elias Herbert Peacock had told his wife at the breakfast table on the morning of the earthquake that he had had a 'horrible' dream in which he was being suffocated by a huge python wrapped around his neck.

Just a few hours later on the same morning he and his wife suffocated to death as a result of the earthquake.

Regards,
Allan
Australia

The Times 1881
The Queen has been graciously pleased to announce to appoint
Demetrius Rudolph Peacock esq to her Majesty s vice consul at Batoum

promotion in 1890 April 22nd to consul for the governments ,districts and provinces of Baku , Elizavetapol ,Erivan ,Tiflis,Kutais,and Tchernomoria residing at Batoum

October 14th 1891
Consul General for the governments of 10 places and to reside at Odessa

Thank you, Quoy.

Great research.

I've been printing up everything you helpers have so kindly been showing me here.

Allan

tell us if you find anything interesting in the ebook.

there must be more travel documents there somewhere. it would be worth you joining ancestry if you have not done so already.

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
about Nenette Germaine Lucile Peacock Name: Nenette Germaine Lucile Peacock
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1911
Birth Place: Krmsneyaisk Siberia
Age: 11
Date of Arrival: Aug 1922
Port of Arrival: Victoria, British Columbia
Port of Departure: Yokohama
Ship Name: Empress of Russia