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Oooo Chris ...
Both buried in Islington Cemetary then..But not as Gold but as Goldstien as I put above..Not that Im saying its THE Joseph and Rosina we want,but something to consider...

I did look for births under Goldstien yesterday for the children,but nothing likely seemed to show,maybe I missed something?
Goldstien.?Jewish?Did the Jewish reg their children with reg office back then?Not up on religions me.

???
Name: Harriett Rosina Whitford
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 267

Marriages Mar 1899 (>99%)
GOLDSTEIN Joseph Mile End 1c 523
Whitford Rose Mile End 1c 523

1901
Name: Rose Goldstein (She's a Whit*ford on previous census)
[Rose Bradbury]
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Harry Bradbury
Mother's name: Mabel Bradbury
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green, East
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Bradbury 51
Mabel Bradbury 51
Janet Bradbury 7
Mabel Bradbury 15
Rose Goldstein 24
Victoria Goldstein 3
John W Whitford 18
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 292; Folio: 157; Page: 6.

Maureen

Welcome Maureen,Looks goodish,but where is Ethel then?Off with dad?
You know me,pick holes in everything..

Always worth a try FBG, leave no stone unturned I say, lol :-))

Chris :)

Is Fans throwing rocks at me again!!!

I thought Victoria might be this one,but the area is a little off:
Name: Victoria Ethel Whitford
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 74

Maureen

Would I do that to you Maureen.;)..Cold in NY I hope,cant be just us with this lot of weather can it?

Births Dec 1902
GOLDSTEIN Sophia Hackney 1b 529

Cant see this one on 1911?

Nor this one?

Births Dec 1909
Goldstein John Shoreditch 1c 32

Births Sep 1909 (>99%)
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Goldstein Rose Sophia Holborn 1b 592


and buried also Islington 1910 Nov. (deceased online)
between census.

Chris :)

Mmmm-there's certainly enough Harry's in the area.

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Goldstein Margaret J Whitford Shoreditch 1c 46

It's not too cold here,although the wind makes up for it. Spending Xmas in New Orleans-it has to be warmer there.

You guys are moving really fast. Finding it difficult to keep up with you all. Have been told that there is a Jewish connection?? Also not up with religion mysefl. Was told a while ago that the Gold's married people within the christian faith?? I guess it would be law for all religions to register their children born in the UK. Thank you MaureenNY I will certainly look at the 1901 census regarding your lead and give everything some careful thought.

This one is a married cabinet maker living with his mother:
1901 Ancestry
Name: Joseph Goldstein
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Maria Goldstein
Gender: Male
Where born: Spitalfields, London, England
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Bow Common
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End, Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria Goldstein 54
Joseph Goldstein 32
Henry Goldstein 22
Jane Goldstein 20
Fanny Goldstein 19
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 338; Folio: 33; Page: 2.

Maureen

I've been looking at this on and off for ages.......I thought from the beginning that Gold was probably an anglicised name

Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
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Goldstein John Shoreditch 1c 32

The 1901 Joseph Goldstein is a barman in 1891.

Maureen

And gone on 1911?
Well I cant find him..Nor a death for him

Can't find who?

The Joseph Goldstein that Maureen posted on 1901 census (Cabinet maker)and said was a barman on 1891..He does not show on 1911 and no death for him,is he "your"Joseph maybe,having dropped the Stein for some reason,maybe due to war looming and anti german feelings in the air?..He is born same area and time as Joseph Gold on 1911...Also says he is married on 1901 and not living with wife,same as 1911 Joseph Gold..

1891

GOLDSTEIN, Maria Head Widow F 44 1847 Tailoress
Aldgate
London
GOLDSTEIN, Joseph Son Single M 22 1869 Barman
Spitalfields
London

Victoria Goldstein on 1901 is certainly the same age as Ethel on 1911..And again they are not living with husband/father

a possible for Joseph's mother on 1911 census

Person: GOLDSTEIN, Maria
Address: 5 Ropery Street Bow

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

GOLDSTEIN, Maria Head Widow F 64 1847 London City
GOLDSTEIN, Jane Daughter Single F 30 1881 Dressmaker London St Georges in East

she's also filled in the marriage details eventhough she's a widow, it says married 46 years, 18 children born to marriage (phew) 8 still living 10 have died by 1911.

and the 1881 census
Person: GOLDSTEIN, Maria
Address: 287, Oxford Street, Mile End Old Town

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

GOLDSTEIN, Abraham Head Married M 37 1844 Tailor (Foreign) Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Maria Wife Married F 34 1847 Middx City
GOLDSTEIN, Joseph Son Single M 12 1869 Spitalfields Middlesex
GOLDSTEIN, Racheal Daughter Single F 8 1873 Spitalfields Middlesex
GOLDSTEIN, Davy Son Single M 7 1874 Spitalfields Middlesex
GOLDSTEIN, Sophia Daughter Single F 6 1875 Whitechapel Middlesex
GOLDSTEIN, Hashu Son Single M 2 1879 York
GOLDSTEIN, Jane Daughter Single F 0 1881 Whitechapel Middlesex

and 1871 census
Person: GOLDSTEIN, Maria
Address: Fort St, Old Artillery Ground

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

GOLDSTEIN, Abraham Head M 26 1845 Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Maria Wife F 24 1847 Middlesex
GOLDSTEIN, Joel Son M 2 1869 Middlesex
DAVIS, Louis Brother-In-Law M 13 1858 Middlesex
ABLETHORP, Mary A* Servant F 14 1857 Middlesex

occupation is Tailor

possible marriage of Abraham and Maria

edit found a better marriage if brother in law on 1871 census is correct

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Abraham Goldstein Name: Abraham Goldstein
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: City of London
County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 200


on the same page is

Name: Maria Davies
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: City of London
County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 200

I am quite happy to run with the idea that Joseph and Rosina Harriet Gold were buried in the registered name of Goldstein. I have checked with the central database for uk burials and it does in deed list Joseph Goldstein as being buried om 29th December 1938 at Islington cemetary and gives his address at the time as 9 Rosemary Street. My memorial cards tell me he passed away on th 22nd December of that year.

This would correspond with the reference:
Deaths Dec 1938
Goldstein Joseph 70 Islington 1b 269


Rosina Harriett Goldstein was also listed as being buried at Islinton cemetary and she was buried on 16th Oct 1941. Rosina's abode was given as Gun House, Great Alne, Alcester (Warwickshire). My memorial cards again tell me that she passed away on October 10th 1941.

Again this would correspond with the reference:
Name: Rosina H Goldstein
Death Registration Month/Year: 1941
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Alcester
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 1234

I can only assume and finding no other death references that Rosina at some point in time moved to Alcester (either because she was ill or due to the 2nd ww) and that when she died she was moved to Islington to be buried near or with her husband Joseph.

I have spoken to my uncle Raymond Gold (Harry's son) and he is of the same opinion as me that the dates, names etc are to much of a coincidence not to be one of the same.

Tomorrow I will order Joseph's and Rosina's death certificates based on those references and hopefully they will reveal a little bit more for me to progress once they arrive. I should imagine in the new year because of the christmas period. Thank you all once again to all those who have put in their time and effort in helping me and goodnight.