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Its all so sad isn't it what these honorable and brave young men went through to give us what we have to day and so sad for the young brides they left behind and of course the babies they never got to know.
John William has become a consuming obsession I cant help it, I think about him everyday and wonder why I cant recall anyone talking about him, maybe I was to young to remember but I do recall a picture over my nans fireplace and I remember thinking how much like my own father looked like him.
I cry everyday for him Meg....daft or what

Ah, he died Dec 1917, age 28 (which is about right Pauline if he was 1 in 1891). Son of William. So presumably William's wife Ellen had predeceased him? But I can't find a suitable death.

Where is the family in 1901 and 1911?

Off to look.

SIMCOCK, William Head Married
21 years M 45 1866 Coal Miner Face Man Brown Edge Staffordshire VIEW
SIMCOCK, Ellen Wife Married F 43 1868 Stockton Brook Staffs VIEW
SIMCOCK, Miriam Daughter Single F 19 1892 Domestic Servant Beddley Green Staffs VIEW
SIMCOCK, Bertha Daughter Single F 17 1894 Beddley Green Staffs VIEW
SIMCOCK, Stanley Herbert Son M 12 1899 Stockton Brook Staffs VIEW
SIMCOCK, Fredrick Son M 7 1904 Stockton Brook Staffs VIEW
SIMCOCK, Christopher Son M 7 1904 Stockton Brook Staffs VIEW
SIMCOCK, Arthur Son M 4 1907 Stockton Brook Staffs VIEW
SIMCOCK, May Daughter F 2 1909 Stockton Brook Staffs VIEW
SIMCOCK, Humphrey Walter Son M 1 1910 Endon Staffs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16614 Reference:
RG14PN16614 RG78PN1027 RD362 SD1 ED2 SN66

Registration District:
Leek Sub District:
Norton EnumerationDistrict:
2 Parish:
Norton in the Moors

Address:
Sandy Lane County:
Staffordshire

No John William - left home?

Is this the right family, Pauline?

Yes that's the one, I never realized that my grandfather, Christopher, was a twin until I started my tree lol.

Thank you Meg its very good of you to be so patiencet it is greatly appreciated, I need to go to bed now as I'm on duty at 06.30.
Once again thank you so much

Pauline

No, Pauline, it's not daft, you do what you need to. You might gather I'm rather a practical person, some would say "cold", but I feel that these things happened to so many families, and we must be proud of them. Without their sacrifices we would not be living as we do today.

My dad lost three uncles in WW1, and nobody ever mentioned them, I only found them through my family history research and people then said "Oh, yes, there was an Uncle Leonard" and so on. My mum's aunt lost her first husband young in WW1 and he was never mentioned either, even by her own direct family. Her own daughter didn't know until I told her. They were just used to losing their menfolk at that time, and we must try to feel the same.

Every year now, I pay for one of those little crosses that goes in the garden of remembrance at Lambeth Palace. I've never done much more than buy a poppy for 5p in the past, but now I know I have so many rellies who died, I donate rather more, and the little cross won't fit them all on now!!!

So why does the cwgc only mention his father and not his mother? We must investigate that, because of my 5 rellies who died in WW1, 3 were wrongly recorded, and I got them changed.

1901 England Census
about Miriam Simcock
Name: Miriam Simcock
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Baddeley Green, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Endon and Stanley
Ecclesiastical parish: Endon St Luke
Town: Stockton Brook
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
William Simcock 35
Ellen Simcock 33
John William Simcock 11
Miriam Simcock 9
Bertha Simcock 7
Stanley H Simcock 2

Can't find a reason why only his father is mentioned on the cwgc site. Do you have a death for Ellen Simcock?

This could be her death:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Ellen Simcock
Name: Ellen Simcock
Death Registration Month/Year: 1941
Age at death (estimated): 73
Registration district: Leek
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 430

Unless your family have some objection, I'd consider getting that CWGC record amended to add her name to it. You will need full evidence, birth, marriage, death certs. It doesn't cost anything to do, and I sent all my stuff on a CD.

I am told that about 1921 they wrote to all know next of kins and asked them what they wanted to be recorded. So if William said he only wanted himself recorded, that is what they would have done. But they destroyed all the replies, so you could get Ellen added I am sure.

Good luck for the 6 a.m. shift tomorrow!

PS I don't think Emily comes into anything, unless she is a cousin way back.

I guess this is John William in 1911 (he's the only one that fits at all):

GOODWIN, James Head Married M 61 1850 No Work Norton Parish County of Stafford VIEW
GOODWIN, Marinda Wife Married
38 years F 58 1853 Norton Parish County of Stafford VIEW
GOODWIN, Sarah Ann Daughter Single F 35 1876 Dressmaker Norton Parish County of Stafford VIEW
GOODWIN, James Son Single M 16 1895 Labourer On Scr Norton Parish County of Stafford VIEW
SLACK, Annie Grand Daugh F 9 1902 Norton Parish County of Stafford VIEW
GOODWIN, Richard Boarder Single M 57 1854 Labourer Banksman Norton Parish County of Stafford VIEW
SIMCOCK, John Boarder Single M 21 1890 Coal Miner Loader Endon Staffordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16614 Reference:
RG14PN16614 RG78PN1027 RD362 SD1 ED2 SN43

Registration District:
Leek Sub District:
Norton EnumerationDistrict:
2 Parish:
Norton in the Moors

Address:
Sandy Lane County:
Staffordshire

Well, a side effect of this post is that David has found my Alma, the widow of my gt uncle Leonard Stokes. Sent me a pm. She remarried, and am off to find her descendants.

Cheers all, every little helps.

Meg your anything but "cold", you may feel or have been told your cold because your a practical person but in fact I feel its quite the reverse your so helpful, patient and caring all these things are true because it they weren't you wouldn't be on here sharing your expertise.
Meg I refuse to think of you as cold.........to me your a warm,witty and welcoming woman who's so willing to help others.
I am so pleased you found Alma, out of confusion(me) comes order(Alma) do let me know how you go on and I'll get Williams birth cert, really have to know just who his mother was.
Ellen Bailey (Williams wife), on John Williams birth cert Ellen put a cross, it said Mothers mark and it was just a cross, she couldn't write bless her.
Stay safe Meg

Wow, Pauline, you have seen things in me I never knew existed!

Thank you.

EDIT - Patient is something I have never been, I think you probably meant "persistent".

Well, back to your thread now that my head has come back to its normal size (which, incidentally, is very small) :-)

Hey, look at this:

http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/genuki/STS/Endon/MIs.html

It's got all your Simcocks buried in St Luke's churchyard.

Thanks so much Margaret you've been a god send in this mystery I cant thank you enough.
I will do as you've suggested and see if any of the locals can recall a Waterfall farm, there's a web site I think its called Brown Edge online, either way I'll find it, I'll put a request about the farm on there, also, there's a local historian here were I live I'll ask him he works in the local library and I just thought they'll have maps and stuff wont they I could look at them.
Once again Margaret thank you so much.......oh and before I forget I'll let you know about Williams certificate

If our family were still there in the 1930s there will be a local historian who remembers the farm. Contact the local council. The will know who that person is.

Hi just wanted to tell everyone, you were correct in finding that it was James and Harriet and not Emily.
This morning I went to pick up Williams birth cert and on it it say Harriet..........so a big big thank you to you all.
And just to say I went onto another site,Leekonline, and found a lady who was researching the Simcock/Hancock line and it turns out she's part of my tree and visa versa, her mum remembers my grandfather(this lady is in her nineties and sound in mind) she also thought he had a brother Frederick(no prompting from me) and a few other things that she said were right, initially I never give away to much info because I have been duped before so with not much info this lady gave me true info and so I am ready and willing to swap what info I have.
Once again thank you all so much

Wow, how nice to know we got it right, and you have found a real live relative.

Much luck with future research.

A job well done, I think.

Big smile for you.Pauline!!!!

Maureen

Hi I wonder if you could help, you really helped me with a previous inquiry.
Madmeg(how I hate calling you that lol) and MaureenNY you found that it was James and Hariette, SueC I feel a bit of a twit cos I said that I didd'nt think that James and Hariette were the ones but you proved me, yes you've got it, a twit lol
You found James 1836 - 1890 and Hariette Simcock and their children but now I'm in a quandary with regards to James 1836 - 1890, and his brothers Joseph and Frederick.
I have done what you suggested, cross referenced, got certs and stuff but I still am not sure if its right after receiving a mail
I have Williams birth certificate and on it it states that James and Hariette are his parents so I know that James and Hariette are right but its James (Williams father) brothers, Joseph and Frederick that I am now not certain of, please can anyone help me.
Pauline

Pauline, from where have you got James's brothers as being Joseph and Frederick? I cannot find such a family.

You need the marriage certificate of James and Harriett to determine his father, in order to find the family before he married.

James says he is born in Horton, but I cannot find a suitable James in 1841, 1851 or 1861.

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Ladies I recently put this post on in another topic,I'm sorry I did just what you good people have asked not to be done, my apologies.

Hi I wonder if anyone could help, after having wonderful success in finding a parent of James Simcock (all due to the helpfulness of lovely people on here) I wonder if anyone could find his parents marriage.
I have looked on Staffordshire BMD but fear that Benjamin's marriage was before those records began.
I recently obtained Jame's marriage certificate which stated that Benjamin was his father, and through another member on here, his mother was possibly Lettuce(not sure that's how its spelt) or Louisa.
On Jame's marriage certificate it states that the place of residence at the time of marriage is Horton so I am assuming that this would be where Benjamin and his wife (Lettuce/Louisa?) would be living.
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in one of the above posts I put that I wasn't sure if Benjamin was Jame's father, he is, I got Jame and Harriets marriage cert and Benjamin is on there and is a laborer.
So now I'm trying to verify who was Benjamin s wife, not so much with her christian name but her surname as it appears she may have been married twice and from that first marriage had some children!!!!.

Once again sorry for being a pain
Pauline

Hi, and welcome back Pauline.

What have you done with the other post? Is there any information on it that we need to have on here? If so, please let us have it.

So you got the marriage cert of James Simcock and Harriett Hancock in 1861.

James's father was Benjamin. What was his occupation. Who was Harriet's father and his occupation? What was the occupation of James? And who were the witnesses on the marriage cer?

We need all that info please.

Meg