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My great grandfather Freedman Flamberg on 6 June 1901 lived at Frostie Mansions Whitechapel London. This is shown on the birth certificate of his daughter born on that day. However a search of the 1901 Census does not reveal his name or the building. I believe the Census was taken in March 1901. Has anyone any idea where I can go from here? Is it possible that the online Census records are incomplete?

can you give more info on his date and place of birth, his wife's name and date and place of birth and any other children born pre 1901 and we can have a look

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Freedman Flamberg
Name: Freedman Flamberg
Death Registration Month/Year: 1937
Age at death (estimated): 77
Registration district: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 411

Andy

He appears in the 1911 Census and I know that he arrived from Poland about 1894 with his wife Deborah, children Julius, Zalick (Jack) Simon James (Jimmy) and Annie born on the ship(1894) bringing them to the UK from either Hamberg or Bremen.

I have searched the 1901Census but can find no record of them.

These are the only ones I can see on 1911, obvious;y his son

FLAMBERG JULIUS M 1883 28 Mile End Old Town London
FLAMBERG MORRIS M 1909 2 Mile End Old Town London
FLAMBERG RACHEL F 1885 26 Mile End Old Town London

Thanks Andrew

I already have the details of his death in 1937 and although his age is shown as 77, this is not correct as it should be 87as the 1911 Census shows he age as 60.

I have been through from 1 to 30 for Frostie Mansions Whitechapel and no luck

Thanks Barbara

It's possible then that he moved between 31 March 1901 and 6 June 1901 to Frostie Mansions. With a wife and four children at least and another on the way by the time of the 1901 Census he decided to move to a bigger place in Frostie Mansions.

Many thanks for all your efforts.

Hello again Barbara

I see that you went through the records of Frostie Mansions Whitechapel. How did you do that? When I searched the 1901 Census under street/place it came up blank.

The reason why I ask is that is possible that Freedman Flamberg changed his name and that he was using another name at that time. I have several possible names.

Perhaps if you put his 'other names' on here some-one may be able to find them?

Hi Jeffrey
I just put in the surname Hamberg and whitechapel came up went into the hamberg name and then clicked on to view image and found they lived in Frostie Masions I then found the first entry by using the arrow's at the top of the image page .
I hope this helps
Barbara

I'm confused. Did Barbara find them by accident using HAMBERG instead of FLAMBERG?

Is this them??
1901 Ancestry (I'm not dealing with the transcription errors!)
Name: Monassch Hamberg
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Janie
Gender: Male
Where born: Rus Foreign Subject
Civil parish: Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:8 Frostie?? Mansions

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Mile End New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 338
Household Members:
Name Age
Monassch Hamberg 50 Occ:Military tailor
Janie Hamberg 36
Judah Hamberg 19
Lilly Hamberg 13
Tinha Hamberg 12
Hannah Hamberg 9
Moses Hamberg 6
Samue Hamberg 3
Missie Garten 19
Chas Kaplin 22
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 302; Folio: 102; Page: 57

Maureen

PS-That's gotta be FROSTIC,not FROSTIE!!

No, Monassch Hamberg is not the person I'm looking for. I have seen this entry.

I'm looking for Freedman Flamberg who was married to Deborah. On 20 July 1901 he registered the birth of his daughter Esther and gave his name as Freedman Flamberg and address as 8 Frostie Mansions Whitechapel. Now if the 1901 Census was taken on 31 March 1901 why is he not shown on the Census, unless he didn't fill in the form, the original records were too bad to copy or were destroyed or he went under another name. I believe that his name was Pflaumenbaum, which in German means Plum tree. However I've searched the 1901 Census with all sorts of combinations of the spelling including changing letters.

I was interested when Barbara said that she searched 1 -30 Frostie Mansions Whitechaple. I've not been to access this record.

What are you using? Ancestry or GR or...?

I'm still not convinced that isn't them,by the way...

Maureen

Hi Maureen
I was looking for Flamberg and thought of different spellings and put in Hamberg. There are a few Hamberg in Whitechapel and when I clicked on view image found they lived in Frostie Mansions so was able to go through all the people living there
Regards
Barbara

Good thinking!! And well done!

Maureen

is this them in 1911
HOUSEHOLD HAMBERG ALEC M 1885 26 Whitechapel London
HOUSEHOLD HAMBERG ANNIE F 1893 18 Whitechapel London
HOUSEHOLD HAMBERG BERTRAM M 1908 3 Whitechapel London
HOUSEHOLD HAMBERG DEBORAH F 1868 43 Whitechapel London
HOUSEHOLD HAMBERG ESTHER F 1901 10 Whitechapel London
HOUSEHOLD HAMBERG FREEDMAN M 1851 60 Whitechapel London
HOUSEHOLD HAMBERG JACK M 1887 24 Whitechapel London
HOUSEHOLD HAMBERG MORRIS M 1895 16 Whitechapel London
HOUSEHOLD HAMBERG SARAH F 1886 25 Whitechapel London
HOUSEHOLD HAMBERG SILVIA F 1910 10 MONTHS Whitechapel London
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Hi Maureen

I'm using GR. No it is definitely not them. His was born in 1860, his wife was Deborah and his children were Jack, Jim, Annie, Morris, Samuel and Esther. The family of Monassch Hamberg are wife Janie, children, Judah, Lilly, Tinha, Hannah, and Moses.

The problem with the 1901 Census is that the enumerators copied the details from original forms and the writing could have been difficult to read, hence names could have been inadvertently shown incorrectly. I have found this on another occasion. My hope was to look up 8 Frostie Mansions if it was show on the 1901 Census and see who lived there. As I have said Barbara managed to access the address, but I've failed to do so.

Still can't access Frostie Mansions.

Regards

Jeff

Yes Barbara it's Freedman Flamberg shown on the 1911 Census. I've a print out of the copy of the original census form. Not written by Freedman as he could not write his name; he signed the form with his mark. I suspect that you found him by looking up Hamberg as I did. But if you look closely at the handwriting you will see the the 'F' and 'L' run together to make what seems to be an 'H'. Here the enumerator transcribed it as Hamberg instead of Flamberg. You will also note the in the signature box it is clearly written Flamberg. I have raised this point with the 1911 Census people.

Regards

Jeff

Hi Jeffery
The Hambergs on the 1901 census lived a No 8.
Again it could be a miss transcription and if you compare the dates of birth of the father and mother and children with the 1911 census they are very close. I think that in the 1911 census they may have changed their Christian name to make them more English.
I use Ancestry for my research
I hope this helps to throw some light on this family
Regards
Barbara

Maureen could you let me know what you think