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I had a look and when I put the 1861 census in with name John Jess there is only a match for one and infant at the other side of the country.So I tried searching with the other names and nothing comes up either all very confusing. I cant find a marriage for John and Charlotte and no death for a Charlotte Jess either.

Jackie

Hi Jacqueline did you find John Jess in the 1871 Scottish Census?

Not finding John Jess on any Census past 1861.Wonder if they both emigrated after Ann married

Freewheel

In Scotland a woman doesn't really lose her birth surname. When she remarries she can use her maiden surname but usually all her previous surnames would be recorded on the certificate i.e Jean Brown or Smith if Brown was the maiden surname and Smith her late husband's surname. By the same token on her marriage certificate, if her mather had been widowed and remarried it would say, for example Annie formerly Brown now Gray maiden surname Black etc.

In the same way a female death on the indexes on Scotlandspeople will list ALL her previous surnames and they will all be indexed provided that the informant gave all the correct details. So looking for a female death on Scotlandspeople you can search using any of her surnames and indeed can use more than one for cross reference.

Never got a Death for a Charlotte Jess in Clackmannan with the name Scotland added in Scotlanspeople

HI all

I checked the deaths for Charlotte Scotland first rather than use her married names and the only one that I could come up with was the one I posted yesterdaythe others are

1886 SCOTLAND CHARLOTTE FYFE F 71 CLACKMANNAN /CLACKMANNAN 466/00 0037 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1945 SCOTLAND CHARLOTTE ANDERSON JOHNSTON F 66 ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0659 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 1919 SCOTLAND CHARLOTTE A BEL MCKEAN F 82 HILLHEAD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/12 0332 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 1952 SCOTLAND CHARLOTTE ANNIE F 0 STIRLING /STIRLING 490/00 0383 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER


I have a feeling that the poster is way off track

On Ann Patterson' s marriage certificate it should show who her mother 's second marriage was too

John Jess results for 1871 census

1871 JESS JOHN M 14 COYLTON /AYR 583/00 006/00 003 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1871 JESS JOHN M 32 DALRYMPLE /AYR 588/00 003/00 012 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 1871 JESS JOHN M 12 KILMARNOCK /AYR 597/00 020/00 010 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 1871 JESS JOHN M 45 BRIDGETON GLASGOW/LANARK 644/03 123/03 001 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
5 1871 JESS JOHN M 12 INCH /WIGTOWN 886/00 006/00 012 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
6 1871 JESS JOHN M 9 WHITHORN /WIGTOWN 900/00 009/00 003 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
7 1871 JESS WM JOHN M 11 BRIDGETON GLASGOW/LANARK 644/03 123/03 001 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

CHARLOTTE PATTERSON Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
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Parents:
Father: ANDREW PATTERSON Family
Mother: CHARLOTTE SCOTLAND


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Marriages:
Spouse: PETER GARDINER Family
Marriage: 25 JUN 1855 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

Husband Age at Marriage: 24
Wife Age at Marriage: 23


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Batch Number: 7326008
Sheet: 82
Source Call No.: 0822889 Type: Film


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I have people marrying in Stevenston,Ayrshire using their Maiden name before 1855

Browsing on the IGI, there is this marriage and I am wondering if this the daughter Mary??

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CHARLOTTE PATTERSON Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
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Parents:
Father: ANDREW PATTERSON Family
Mother: CHARLOTTE SCOTLAND


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Marriages:
Spouse: PETER GARDINER Family
Marriage: 25 JUN 1855 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

Husband Age at Marriage: 24
Wife Age at Marriage: 23



This looks like a possibility for the above couple in 1861.


Name: Mary C Gardiner
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Peter
Gender: Female
Where born: Larbert, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 644/8
Registration district: Anderston
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 3 Russell Place
ED: 58
Household schedule number: 41
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1861_108
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Gardiner 42 Blacksmith
Mary C Gardiner 33
Peter Gardiner 15 Flesher
William Gardiner 13 Blacksmith (app)
James Gardiner 11 b. Glasgow
Elizabeth Gardiner 8 b.P??k, Renfrewshire
Ann Gardiner 5 b. as above
Janet Gardiner 2 b. Glasgow


Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow Barony; ED: 58; Page: 8; Line: 19; Roll CSSCT1861_108; Year: 1861.



Just trying to establish possible places of death for Charlotte senior by following up the family.




EDIT

Sorry Ellen, I now see you had posted that IGI entry while i was faffing about looking for a match on the census.

That marriage (from the IGI) that Ellen has posted took place in 1855. From the IGI we know that the bride's parent's were Andrew patterson and Charlotte Scotland.

If it were me I would be looking at that marriage on Scotlandspeople to see what further, if any, information is there regarding Charlotte (Senior)'s marital status.

Hi,I'm just looking for a Census for Charlotte Gardiner and can't find it 1871

Yes,i'd like it cleared who she married.Charlotte Jess states born in Tillycoultry .

There's a big age difference between Charlotte Patterson,and Charlotte Fife?

John Glen c1847 Clackman who is a boarder with Charlotte Patterson c 1813 is with William McCulloch in the 1871 Census,so Charlotte married Fife in 1853Name: Margaret Mc Callich
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : William
Gender: Female
Where born: Clackma, Clackmannanshire
Registration Number: 466
Registration district: Clackmannan
Civil parish: Clackmannan
Town: Clackmannan
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: South Side
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 31
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1871_80
Household Members: Name Age
William Mc Callich 33
Margaret Mc Callich 33
John Glen 23


Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this

Poor Relief records are needed to see if Parents names are given

1881
Name: Charles Gardner
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Parish, Clackmannanshire &
Registration Number: 466
Registration district: Clackmannan
Civil parish: Clackmannan
Town: Clackmannan
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: Main Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 64
Line: 3
Roll: cssct1881_130
Household Members: Name Age
William McCulloch 44
Margaret McCulloch 44
Charles Gardner 8


Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information c

CHARLES GARDINER Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 12 JUN 1873 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
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Parents:
Father: PETER GARDINER Family
Mother: MARY PATERSON


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C114663 1868 - 1875 6035516 REGISTER Film NONE


Sheet: 00

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GEORGE GARDINER Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 13 FEB 1869 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

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Parents:
Father: PETER GARDINER Family
Mother: MARY PATERSON


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ROBERT GARDINER Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 17 APR 1871 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

Christening:
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Parents:
Father: PETER GARDINER Family
Mother: MARY PATERSON


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