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More like ww2 going on the marriage date of 1949

No, I was off on a tangent, thinking Follan Smith might be Dorothy's father.

But it seems likely her father was Cooper, since she was reared by his family who would likely have called her by that surname, which seems to be the one she used.

Whoops,edited out all that lot for privacy.

Blimey you ladies don't mess around when it comes to finding out info.
My grandmother Dorothy married George Dean in 1940 with her maiden name has Cooper. I know she was raised by her paternal Grandmother and an uncle (Fred)and aunt (brother and sister). Her father lived elsewhere and did marry and had a son when my grandmother was 8 years old. Unfortunately I don't know his name or her father's.

As for Annie her mother, I can't believe how much info you have been able to retrieve, I think you are right it would be wise to obtain the birth certificate of Dorothy Bullimore to find out for sure.

Hurrah Janey.

A lady that is going to buy the suggested birth certificate.

Thank you Karen,so many dont and its so nice when someone at least gives it a go.
Please do come back and tell us what it says.
And what of the possible Smith/Bullimore marriage cert?
Or is that pushing it?

Your grandmothers marriage cert should have her fathers name and occupation on as she knew it,so that should really be sent for,then we can hopefully find him for you if you wish.

So Dean it was then and you were quite correct as usual with that Janey.

Do you know the first name of the grandmother that raised her,and where?

I would really get Dorothy's marriage cert to Dean. Since she used the name Cooper, she would surely have given her father's name on it.

With that we could try cross-matching him with a Fred -- as Viv said, where did Dorothy grow up with these Coopers?

Somewhere there have to be two bits of info to rub together, is the thing. Having the father's name she gave on the certificate would be the best bit. Of course, she may have said Fred.

Unfortunately I don't know her name, I believe that she was raised in the Wharfedale area Yorkshire. I never thought about her wedding certificate, like you say that should give me herfather's name at least. I seem to remember my Grandma mentioning the name Broadbent, which may have been her paternal grandmother's maiden name.

"With that we could try cross-matching him with a Fred"

Zactly where my brain train had gone.

Ohhhhh, we need that grans marriage cert for sure...

I have just ordered my Grandmother's ( I hope) birth certificate Dorothy M Bullimore and her marriage certificate, so hopefully some answers will be gained from them. I shall let you know.

I wait with bated breath to see if I can put the flags out for being right,in which case I shall parade it as evidence of my genius!!.
OR be shot down in flames for being wrong,in which case I will be overcome with shame and have to start again to try to find the correct one.

But of course we can only go on info given to us,so your info being correct we should have lift off .....:)

Well you know it won't be me shooting anyone down in flames for parading a wild theory in public! ;)

Every possibility has to be found and ruled out. If it can't be ruled out, it has to be followed as far as it goes. How did Sherlock put it?

"Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth."

Problem is, of course, that in this business, you can never know what all the other factors are. ;)

The certificates came yesterday, and you were right Vivienne, Dorothy Mary Bullimore is my Grandmother! same birth date. Unfortunately it did not mention her father and the marriage certificate does not mention him either. Fred Cooper was a witness and it gave her addresss in Baildon West Yorkshire. I've tried to look up Fred Cooper as I know she lived with him, her Grandmother and aunt (Fred's sister) unfortunately I can't remember those names!! or her father's who lived elsewhere married and had a son when Grandma was eight. They probably lived elsewhere in 1901 before moving to Baildon. Would her Grandmother have had to adopt her so she could take the name Cooper and use it as her surname? as it is obviously different from the one on her birth certificate. As for Annie Bullimore, it would seem you were right Vivienne and Janey, about the marriage to Follan Smith and I believe the death in Darlington of Annie Eliza Smith is definitely her. My aunt seem to recall her middle name being Eliza but can't remember much else about her. It's quite frustrating really it was much easier researching my Grandfather's side!!

My reputation is upheld,,Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I know what Janey will be thinking when she reads that sentence,What reputation??

So now the search is on for Fred and co.

You do not have to be adopted to take someones name,you can call yourself anything you like as long as its not for fraudulent use.

Strange that she doesnt have a fathers name on the marriage cert as she would have known it if she lived with her grandma and uncle and aunt.
Does it have an exact address on the cert or just,Baildon west yorks.?

Did Dorothys father MARRY when she was 8 or was the SON born when she was 8?

What is the address on Dorothys birth cert and does it say at all what Annie did for a living?

Hi Vivienne

I can answer most of those questions

On Dorothy's birth certificate - the address is 14 Cemetery Road York.
Her mother was _entrepairer's machinist (_ that's a letter I can't make out)
On the marriage certificate the address is 18 Glenholme Road Baildon West Yorks.

As for her father's son, I remember her telling me that she was eight when her father had another child.

Do you think you can find something out with this?

We can but try,,although I see that Janey is rather glaringly absent and she is ,,ummm just "slightly" better at research than me.....
Canucks should be up and about now I would have thought??

This may take some time if not a lot of time to maybe get nowhere but Time is what I have in bits and pieces so ...
Dont wait up,,but I will return.

T? -entrepairers machinist?

Janey has been, uh, sleeping. Went shopping Friday evening, woke up early Saturday to chop things for a couple of hours while watching the week's East Enders, then spent a couple more hours making soups and pies and stuff (while Parliament is in session here, I work late hours and like to have din all ready thaw in the morning and eat at night) ... and then fell asleep on the chesterfield about 4 pm ... and spent so far today doing more chopping and cooking ...

Well you're doing excellenty so far! You've got Viv; who needs me?

One thing I'm not seeing here - Dorothy M Bullimore's mother's name? Annie Eliza Bullimore, on her marriage cert to Smith and on Dorothy's birth cert?

Also, Annie's age on her marriage cert?

Bullimore seems to be a bit of a Lincolnshire name, going by Annies in the 1911.

There are several possibles in 1911. I can't match this one with a birth:

BULLIMORE ANNIE ELIZY M* 1892 19 Spalding Lincolnshire
BULLIMORE ELIZABETH 1867 44 Spalding Lincolnshire
BULLIMORE JOHN 1866 45 Spalding Lincolnshire
BULLIMORE MARY ANN 1898 13 Spalding Lincolnshire
* obviously an error ("male")

I did a search for Coopers living with Bullimores, just for the heck of it, and vice versa. There are a couple of senior citizens in an institution in Hull. There's a pair in an institution in Norwich. There's this household in Grantham:

COOPER GEORGE 1897 14 Grantham Lincolnshire
BULLIMORE GEORGE W 1887 24 Grantham Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD BULLIMORE HARRIET 1859 52 Grantham Lincolnshire
BULLIMORE ROBERT 1862 49 Grantham Lincolnshire

and there are these two in overseas military:

BULLIMORE JOHN 1887 24
COOPER JOHN 1891 20

They caught my eye because that's how my grandparents met - he was in WWI with her brother, and they met at the hospital her brother was in when he was injured. But there are so many Coopers, the odds are that any Bullimore would be in the same military outfit as one or another. ;)

There are no Ann* Bullimores born 1891-1901 in the 1901 in Yorkshire.

This one matches the one in 1911:

Name: Anniee Bullimore - it says ANNIE E. BULLIMORE
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Gosherton Fen, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Surfleet
Registration district: Spalding

John Bullimore 35 - gardener on farm
Elizabeth Bullimore 33
Anniee Bullimore 9
Mary A Bullimore 3

Births Jun 1892
Bullimore Annie Lizzie Spalding 7a 409

- The household in 1911 all answer to "born Gosberton".


My brain is still on dozy mode I'm afraid. Should wait for info about Annie's age before looking farther for her.

I know we're looking for Dorothy's dad, but placing Annie and finding her family could be useful.


Ah, here's what I guess I missed -- we don't have the Bullimore-Smith marriage cert yet. We want that!

I just came back after watching something on Tv to say that I think the next cert we need is Smith/Bullimore marriage in 1947 and there she did it again!
Janey got there first.

With her ,hopefully,fathers name and occupation we can find her on 1911 census and get one step nearer to Dorothys dad.

I will have to have a look at the bullimore /cooper 1911 as that looks interesting.

The Annie I looked at above seems to have married:

Marriages Jun 1912
BULLIMORE Annie L Warnes Spalding 7a 913
Warnes Albert E Bullimore Spalding 7a 913


Might Dorothy have been a war baby, born while Annie's husband was at the front?

Yikes, there are gazillions of Warnes-Bullimore births in Spalding, and also Holbeach and Boston later, and no other marriage to account for them.

Of particular interest:

Births Mar 1913
Warnes John H Bullimore Spalding 7a 684
Births Mar 1915
Warnes George W Bullimore Holbeach 7a 726
Births Jun 1918
WARNES Arthur E Bullimore Spalding 7a _31

That does, theoretically, leave room for Dorothy in Q2 1917.

There are a very few other births in York with mother Bullimore -- surnames Condon (mother Alice M, married 1911) and Shipley (mother Violet, married 1910).


Alice brings us to another possibility for Annie -- 1901:

Civil parish: East Barnet
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Rachel Bullimore 44
> Eliz A Bullimore 11 - born East Barnet
Louisa E Bullimore 10
Alice M Bullimore 10
Lilian R C Bullimore 8
> Dorothy M Bullimore 5 - oh my - a namesake?

Births Mar 1896
Bullimore Dorothy Mabel Barnet 3a 268

Births Dec 1889
Bullimore Elizabeth Ann Barnet 3a 230

Marriages Sep 1912
Bullimore Elizabeth A Byford Barnet 3a _33
- it's Frank H Byford, p. 833
Births Sep 1913
Byford Vera R I Bullimore Reigate 2a 388
Births Mar 1915
Byford Frank A G Bullimore Reigate 2a 364

The othes in the Bullimore household in Barnet are there in 1911, as is a Frank byford born c1890. I can't find Elizabeth.



I do find the idea that Dorothy resulted from a wartime liaison, and that Annie went away from home to have her, fairly plausible. That theory would be consistent with both the Warnes and Byford marriages.

Annie's marriage cert to Smith would indicate whether she had been married before.