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Have you googled BARBENCHON?

An alternate spelling is BARBANCHON. (They're pronounced identically.)

Searching Ancestry for

BARBANC*

brought up the name

Barbançon (the ç is pronounced "s")

among the slave population of Mauritius.

There is an historian in New Caledonia (a French colony) named Louis-José Barbançon, descended from transported convicts, and specializing in deportations from France in the 1800s.

http://www.criminocorpus.cnrs.fr/article79.html

And there is a village that name -- Barbançon / Barbençon

http://www.pbase.com/antarius/barbanon

It seems to be in France but "spiritually" Belgian.


Anyhow, I'm thinking these names are all related.

I would try searching the IGI for all of them.

There's one Barbançon in England in 1504 and a dozen or so in France and Belgium, and a half-dozen Barbanchons and two Barbenchons in France (there are multiples of most entries).

Aha. Is this one of your sources?

This would be Marie in the 1841, I think. It is a *submitted* record. Found by searching for

father JEAN BARBENCHON
mother HELENE
region Continental Europe
and nothing else specified


Marie Alexandrine Le Barbenchon
Birth: About 1823 Cherbourg, Manche, France
Death: 07 JAN 1907 Saint Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Father: Jean François Le Barbenchon
Mother: Hélène Victoire De la Cour


Also submitted record, searching IGI for Barbenchon -- same Marie:

Marie Le Barbenchon
Birth: 1823 France
Death: 07 JAN 1907
Spouse: Jean Hypolite Roger
Marriage: 11 JAN 1853 Cherbourg, Manche, France

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And then google also found a page where it is mostly

LEBARBENCHON (all one word)

http://le.juezgenealogie.free.fr/Patronymes.htm

You might have a browse there (I didn't find anything, although there are names the same but not the same people) and google that spelling. It seems to be much more common today -- also Lebarbanchon.


This is a map of births 1891-1915 for surname Lebarbanchon in France:

http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/LEBARBANCHON

which probably gives you a decent idea of what area you're looking at.

You can click for other time periods:

1891-1915 : 17 births.
1916-1940 : 22 births
1941-1965 : 40 births
1966-1990 : 35 births

Also: http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/LEBARBENCHON
That spelling is about twice as common, and is also concentrated in the same area -- Manche département.

Also
http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/BARBENCHON
http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/BARBANCHON

thanks evie i will check all info.you have been buzy.
no, 1 the census , it may be barbensbin on ancestry but i have seen the original and can asure you it is Barbensbier,
all the children bar the 2 babies born fgn the babies born guernsey and named Le Barbenchon,Now auguste is the right age as on the census for 1841 they rounded up or down to the nearest 5 years so he would have been about 22 on 1841 census.The 1851 as auguste barassin he is 32,and married to desiree Agnes,
Now i have always believed he had a sister Marie,5 years younger she appears as his wife ,i think the 1871 census,
Now a Marie Roger is godparent to one of his children, Marie le barbenchon marries Jean Hypolite Roger cherbourg 1853 normally they would use their birth name but with this family,anything goes and they lived in Alderney for a while, their first child was born there,
another godparent Caroline ?? Charles Francois le barbenchon married Caroline le couvey, and his brother married an Emilie Caroline,Bonamy. another godparent alfred Joseph la Cour probably related to the mother Helen de la cour.

Now nobody can accuse me of waisting there time,i have been searching for Barassin for 8 years and i was looking backwards for him I wanted to find his marriage,I had no idea that he may have been born under a different name,There are plenty of Barassins around before the 1800s ,but not him,
Now ,going back to Le Barbanchon's I did say i had searched IGI ,, the three children that married were in Cherbourg and as far as i can tell the whole family returned to France after 1841,They are not in Guernsey in 1851. AUGUSTE is in alderney in 1851 with his wife,
There are Barbensons there also but not Barbenchons,the names do mean the same and there are variations ,The name derives from Belgium a village called Barbenchon,and they were of royal blood back in 1600's where 2 brothers were lords.

The family you found in 1841 is what i found in guernsey and checked it out as it was a weird name,and got excited at the thought it may be my Auguste because french sounding of Barassin is simular to Barbenchon, i know it looks different but does sound simular, and we all know about spelling way back then.

The map in france won't help much as you cannot get back to the earlier years and he was born c1819
I do know it is department Manche and going by the other children Cherbourg,
Desiree was not in Guernsey in 1841 i have found that she went back to France after the death of her father in 1832,Evidence that her mother returned to Guernsey from cherbourg in 1842 and deported back to cherbourg and again in 1845 returned to Guernsey and was found to be ill and put in hospital where she died in 1849,So i have found a few interesting facts which has led me down this path

the auguste on 1851 barbenson ,checked that out before ,married to someone else.married in alderney.My auguste married in France according to mrs Minot who does Alderney research

Oh Sablon -- I didnt' mean time-wasting! There was every reason to believe his name was what you thought it was -- and in fact it was, at all other times.

Now as to "Barbensbier", I can assure that ain't a name. ;) I haven't seen the original, but I've looked at the image at Ancestry, which does look that way. If the original does plainly say Barbensbier, it would only be because someone misread the household schedule it was copied from.

(It helps to know how it's been transcribed e.g. at Ancestry so anyone interested can actually find the record to see the details of the household, as I reproduced them.)

"Now ,going back to Le Barbanchon's I did say i had searched IGI"

I know. But when yer looking for help, it doesn't help if only you know what records are there. We need to know too.

"The map in france won't help much as you cannot get back to the earlier years"

Yes, I understand that too. I thought it was useful for showing that the surname was still so uncommon and so concentrated in only that one region of France even that late, so you can really be very confident that it is the place to be looking for the family/name.

Googling finds numerous people today with one variation of the surname or another. I think I would just start contacting them and asking what they might know about the family history! You never know, you might find one who is a genealogy buff and could know of a connection with you.

I also thought the professor in New Guinea could possibly be a very interesting source. He shares the surname *and* he is an expert on emigration from France.

I guess my main point was that I would make sure to cover all the surname variants when searching:

(le) barbenchon
(le) barbanchon
lebarbenchon
lebarbanchon
and also
barbançon
le barbançon

re "the auguste on 1851 barbenson" -- yes, I understood he wasn't yours (since yours is already known in 1851).

What I meant was that it was an interesting entry from the point of view of possible name variations.

That Auguste was French, and "Barbenson" is not a French name.

What I was wondering was whether Barbenson is an anglicization of (le) Barbenchon, and so it could be worth tracking down some by that surname.

Actually, I stand somewhat corrected. Search for Barbenson in quotation marks ("barbenson") at google and there seem to be a number of instances of that name in France.

An estimated 156 people at present:
http://www.nom-famille.com/nom-barbenson.html

I do suspect it is a variant of the same surname.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_of_Alderney

Judges
Nicholas Barbenson (1st time)(acting) 28 Apr 1836 - 26 Nov 1836
Nicholas Barbenson (2nd time)(acting) 29 Nov 1836 - 15 Dec 1856
Thomas Nicholas Barbenson 9 Oct 1876 - Oct 1892
Nicholas Peter Barbenson 5 Jun 1897 - 1912


1871
Name: Thomas N Barbenson
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Alderney, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: St Ann

1841
Name: Nicholas Barbenson
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1770
Gender: Male
Where born: Alderney, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: Alderney


That family seems to be of long standing in Aldernay.

But hmm, in the latter 1800s it was in a different bit of France, so the connection may be tenuous after all, and the name independently French rather than an anglicization.

http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/BARBENSON

- 2 births 1891-1915 in Nord département and concentrated in the same area after that.

Oh, and so Barbançon -- which would be pronounced exactly like Barbenson -- is more likely related to that batch.

It's all worth checking out, even if it does end up looking unrelated after all!

yes i agree with what your saying and believe me i have been checking on variations of the name .It is Barbenson in Alderney ,But i do not think this Barbenschon family are connected,Mind you saying that ,the french are well known for changing names especialy when there are a lot of the same family ,Barassin could be a dit name and they sometimes take the mothers name,but not in this case,Also they sometimes take the name from the place they came from,French research is not as straight forward as english ,The name could change from each generation.
as i said before i know Le Barbenchon and Barbenson are originated from the same name.the name came from a village in belgium .I have been intouch with Melany who put the entry in iGI,but alas she did not even know Auguste was a son,the only one she did not have,It's like he don't want to be found.
all i can be sure of is dept Manche Cherbourg for the marriage.I found Jean Francois on genenet born 1791 the right age, but nothing to his name,so i can't find his marriage to Helen,if it was France,Looks like he had most of his family fgn before coming to guernsey . But why would guernsey put fgn on census if they came from france normaly they just put France

Why do we all end up with the ones who aren't on the trees, hm?

When I first started, I would get replies amounting to "well I don't think so". And I'd have to present all my credentials and persuade them either that I was so descended from so-and-so, or that so-and-so did so exist and is so your person's brother/sister/child!

So my name sleuthing was good after all.

And so -- if you have contact with someone descended from a sibling of Auguste's, she doesn't know any farther back than his parents?

Usless cousins. ;)

I wonder whether they came from France but via somewhere else.

Did you notice the Brazil-born Barbenson in the censuses?


Name: E S Barbenson
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Bio De Jancies, Baitich
Civil Parish: St Clement
County/Island: Jersey


Yes, Bio De Jancies, former capital of that well-known South American country Baitich. Yeesh.

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

Heck, they could have been in New Caledonia for a time. ;)

The occurence of the name Barbençon / Barbançon among the slave populations in Trinidad and Mauritius really is an interesting tidbit. Oh, you're not at Ancestry? If you are, just search for the surname barb*on.

And a couple of closer variants:


Slave Registers of former British Colonial Dependencies, 1812-1834
about Barbashon
Name: Barbashon
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1738
Age: 79
Gender: Female
Colonial Dependency: St Christopher
Owner Name: Henrietta Garnett
Record Date: 1817

Name: Barbichon Barbu
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Age: 25
Nationality: Mozambican
Gender: Male
PARISH: Plantation Slaves, 348-687
Colonial Dependency: Mauritius
Owner Name: Gaillardon
Record Date: 1826


Can't think of what the connection would be, just strikes me as odd there are so many by those unusual names in those lists.

If you can work it, the list is here:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&fa20=&fa19=barb*on&rg_81004011
__date=&rs_81004011__date=0&f12=&f8=&f35=&f21=&f25=&f27=&gskw=&prox=1&db
=britishslaves&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gl=&gss=rfs&gst=&so=3

yes thats the problem not a paid up member ,can't aford it at the mo,.pity.

Talking of slaves there was a father Jean Barassin who fought to free the slaves,before 1800s read it a while back and he was noted to have visited Alderney.can't think where i found that ,must google it up again,

You can still do the search and see the results w/o the details. (I hadn't even realized I had access to details.)

Search form:

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1129&enc=1

Ditto for any search at Ancestry beyond 1881 -- you can see results, just not details.

just had a look at the names de famille site,a lot of names on there that i recognise ,have a good look tomorrow, getting tired been up since 6

catch you later Evie

i have wrote to Jeuzgenealogie.and found another on genenet to write to ,Lets hope they reply.so far so good.

found this Evie HEEEEEEEEELLP ancestry put in barb*on

Name: Auguste-Theodoric BARBICHON
Birth: date - city
Residence: location
marne france births 1501--1907

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Gimme a link!

Ah yes. The link is: GIVE US MORE MONEY!!!

Sadly, I do not pay a sufficient proportion of my income to Ancestry to access that record.

You should post and ask for this very specific lookup. Give the url for this thread and just ask for details of that record. You need somebody with the great big everything subscription. I am useless to you. ;)

It says it's in French -- if you just get somebody to copy and paste it, and you add it here, I'll translate it for you.

Note that it does say Marne, which is not where you're looking really. So I wouldn't get too too excited. ;)