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MARGARET MURDOCH Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 15 FEB 1820 Stair, Ayr, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES MURDOCH
Mother: SARAH PETTICRIEVE

Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C116144 1820 - 1854 1041468 Film 6900538 Film
Sheet:

A few possible marriages:

17/12/1853 MURDOCH ROBERT JANET WYLLIE/FR959 M Stewarton /AYR 616/ 0040 0420
17/12/1853 MURDOCH ROBERT JANET WYLLIE/FR633 M Dunlop /AYR 591/ 0030 0229

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ROBERT MURDOCH Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: JANET WYLLIE
Marriage: 17 DEC 1853 Dunlop, Ayr, Scotland

Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M115914 1820 - 1854 1041341 Film 6902207 Film
Sheet: 00

IGI is a submitted record!?!

08/10/1847 MURDOCH ROBERT HELEN HUTCHISON/FR285 M Stair /AYR 614/ 0020 0220
08/10/1847 MURDOCH ROBERT HELEN HUTCHISON/FR720 M Tarbolton /AYR 619/ 0030 0417


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ROBERT MURDOCH Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: HELEN HUTCHISON
Marriage: 08 OCT 1847 Stair, Ayr, Scotland

Messages: Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The source films cannot be sent to family history centers and have limited access at the Family History Library. A family group record for this family may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband.

Source Information:
Batch Number: A457323
Sheet: 00
Source Call No.: 457323-457327 Type: Book

31/01/1851 MURDOCH ROBERT JANET BROWN/FR898 M Ochiltree /AYR 609/ 0040 0199
19/01/1851 MURDOCH ROBERT JANET BROWN/FR398 M Auchinleck /AYR 577/ 0020 0352


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ROBERT MURDOCH Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: JANET BROWN
Marriage: 19 JAN 1851 Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland

Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M115774 1820 - 1855 1041328 Film 6901989 Film
Sheet: 00

10/11/1848 MURDOCH ROBERT ISABELLA FERGUSON/FR2860 M Kilmarnock (Ayr) /AYR 597/ 0120 0050
44 05/11/1848 MURDOCH ROBERT ISABELLA FERGUSSON/FR377 M Ayr /AYR 578/ 0120 0393


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ROBERT MURDOCH Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: ISABELLA FERGUSSON
Marriage: 05 NOV 1848 Ayr, Ayr, Scotland

Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M119635 1820 - 1854 1041332 Film 6900404 Film
Sheet: 00

12/11/1848 MURDOCK ROBERT EUPHEMIA JAMIESON/FR394 M Auchinleck /AYR 577/ 0020 0344


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ROBERT MURDOCK Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: EUPHEMIA JAMIESON
Marriage: 12 NOV 1848 Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland

Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M115774 1820 - 1855 1041328 Film 6901989 Film
Sheet: 00

Hello all.
Sorry i didn't do my homework properly on the infant Robert Pettigrew-musn't get carried away and forget the rules of checking.
Carole do you know anything about Jane's parents-could her mother's maiden name be Carr? Also do you have a street address for Hunters Cottages and/or parish it was in as it may be possible to find it in the 1861 census if you do?
Julie

Hi Julie
Had to have my weekly fix of, "Have I Got News For You"
Now down to business!
Jane's mother was Agnes WILSON and I have been unable to find any Carr connection in either Jane or Robert's family!
They were not at Hunter's Cottages at the time of the 1861 census. A kind researcher did a check some weeks ago; I believe on Find my Past, where I believe one can check by address - I think that was what she told me?

Hi LforW
Any hot favourites in that selection of brides?
Nothing leaps out at me.

I thought I had found her. I discovered an Agness Murdoch, claiming to be a widow, in the 1861 census.(She would wouldn't she?)
I got really excited when I discovered that she had a six year old son, Robert Murdoch and her husband was from Stair. But ... it turned out that the husband had been a John Murdoch; not Robert. ... Boo Hoo!!!

I will have a look around these candidates. I did check out the Hutchison one last night and it didn't work out ..brain gone, can't remember why not.

I think I have found seven spellings of Pettigrew to date? It threw me in the beginning but now I largely ignore it.

I said I had reasons for favouring the Warkworth couple Jane and Robert Carr, despite their claim to have been born in Northumberland! .. and the fact that they are using the name Carr at an unexpected date!
The link is complicated ... but here goes ...
Jane's sister, Isabella's third!! husband was one William CUTHBERTSON.

Jane's eldest Montgomery child, David, lived in the CUTHBERTSON house for some time.

David travelled to Durham, where he met and married an Elizabeth Purvis, daughter of Thomas Purvis a coalminer

Thomas Purvis was related to a John Purvis a farmer in Warkworth, Northumberland.

In the 1851 census, John Purvis had, living at the farm, his aunt Ann CUTHBERTSON, widow of a George Cuthbertson. (Previous thread, John Purvis of Northumberland)

As I said, a bit complicated but a solid link nontheless: so I wouldn't be amazed if the Warkworth couple turned out to be my Robert and Jane?

Now we have 'shot down in flames' the baby Pettigrew death .. I suppose we should look at the Easington Carrs again? In April 1861, they had a two year old named Robert ... and a 10 month baby named William. ... Neither of these are with my family at the next census, so if this is the correct family unit, the children must both have died? ... Robert before March 1864, when another Robert was born?

Is this them

1861 census transcription details for: 19, Milburn Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 3769 Folio: 40 Page: 27

Reg. District: Sunderland Sub District: 1 North Bishop-Wearmouth
Enum. District: 10 Ecclesiastical District: St Andrews
Parish: Bishopwearmouth City/Municipal Borough: Sunderland
Address: 19, Milburn Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
CARR, Robert Head Married M 34 1827 Engine Man
Tweedmouth, Northumberland
CARR, Jane Wife Married F 30 1831
Tweedmouth, Northumberland
CARR, Robert Son M 2 1859
Bishopwearmouth, Durham
CARR, William Son M 0 (10M) 1861
Bishopwearmouth, Durham

Now saying born Shilbottle, occupation Banksman.

1871 census transcription details for: Newton On The Moor, Newton-On-The-Moor
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 5169 Folio: 33 Page: 6

Reg. District: Alnwick Sub District: Warkworth
Enum. District: 3C Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Newton-On-The-Moor City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Newton On The Moor, Newton-On-The-Moor
County: Northumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
CARR, Robert Head M 41 1830 Northumberland
CARR, Jane Wife F 44 1827 Northumberland

1881 census transcription details for: Newton On The Moor, Newton On The Moor
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 5120 Folio: 34 Page: 8

Reg. District: Alnwick Sub District: Warkworth
Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Newton On The Moor City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Newton On The Moor, Newton On The Moor
County: Northumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
CARR, Robert Head Married M 51 1830 Coal Agent (Merchant)
Shilbottle, Northumberland
CARR, Jane Wife Married F 54 1827
Shilbottle, Northumberland

We already have Robert & Jane as Petticrew in 1871 census so they can't be those Carr's. Going back to the other Carr's there are deaths for Robert & William Carr 1861 & 1862 in Durham on free BMD -haven;t checked out the birth possibilities for them yet though.

Oh dear!!!!
Definitely proved wrong on the Warkworth one!!! They had to be elsewhere in the next two censuses; and they had to be using the name Pettigrew in 1871.

The Bishopwearmouth one is still possible .... but it doesn't feel right. I am keeping it in reserve though??
The two deaths would fit if they check out?

Parish Records Collection 1538-2005 baptism
Day: 12
Month: Jan
Year: 1831
Forenames: Robert
Surname: CARR
Fathers Forenames: Robert
Occupation:
Mothers Forenames: Jane
Mothers Surname:
Birth day: 30
Birth month: 08
Birth year: 1828
Abode: Hendon Terr.
Place: Bishopwearmouth
Description: St. Michael
County: Durham
Country: England
Checked: Y
Other info:
Other Father: mariner
Other Mother:
Notes:
Record source: Northumberland and Durham Baptisms
Data provider: Northumberland & Durham Family History Society
Transcriptions © Northumberland & Durham Family History Society

Whilst all this could prove useful sometime...... Nothing is ever wasted.......
......I must get back on track and SEARCH FOR THE MYSTERY WIFE?......
I'm not very successful with Familysearch. Do either of you know if there are any clever advanced searches, that can be done, that give any additional marriage information?
I wish there was a manual, called ... FAMILYSEARCH FOR DUMMIES? ....I have learned a couple of tricks recently, that I knew nothing about. Unfortunately, not to do with marriages

Another 'Oh Dear'
Bye bye Bishopwearmouth!!
The record is pretty precise about ages and they just don't match the birth dates I have, on official records, for Jane and Robert.
Hope you have spotted this post Julie; before you waste time on Robert and William???