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Absolutely NOTHING!!!
Such a shame.
Never mind, it doesn't actually interfere with the backwards progression of my tree. The sole purpose of finding the wife, was to see if it helped solve a few intriguing questions? They can wait....
Thank you anyone who has helped; especially Julie , who I'm new to, .... and Lost for Words who keeps popping in and out of my life. Plus Susan who generously used her Scotlandspeople credits to help. You have been brilliant but it is time to 'put this baby to bed'!!! ... for now.
But you won't have seen the last of me, or the Montgomerys, Murdochs, Pettigrews or Carrs.
WATCH THIS SPACE!!!
Keep up the good work!
Carole

Hi Carole
Haven't been idle but haven't found anything useful. Trying to track the Mrs Murdoch he left behind but as you move throgh the census' to disprove likely candidates there is a quagmire of Murdochs! The potential in Stirling Janet nee Sneddon is in the 1861 census in Falkirk with sons William 8 and Robert 2 but no husband. IGI extracted record for her son confirms he was born to Robert Murdoch and Janet Sneddon. In 1871 she has aquired another son 'Jos' aged 5 and under occupation it says 'widow'. So she looks unlikely still...........I can understand your frustration-that's why I'm here taking a break from my own research. If I find anything else before midnight I'll let you know but otherwise please let us know if you uncover this mystery in the future!
best wishes
Julie

Hello!
I'm getting brain ache!!
If nothing emerges today; I think we quit for now.
I hate giving up but I don't know where else, or how else to look?
I need a tutorial on alternative search techniques.
I'm giving it until midnight but if you want to bow out now, that's OK with me. I understand how frustrating it is; flogging a dead horse!
Thanks for your interest this far.
Carole

Thanks for tonight's efforts.
As it is now 1:45 here, I am going to bed.
I'll have a play with Huge Wallis in the morning.
Hasta manana
Carole

Just tried it.
Thank goodness it is back!
I don't know how I would have managed?
And to think; I almost removed it from my bookmarks as I had a feeling that It was in Ancestry's best interest NOT to resolve it.
How wrong can one be?
Sorry Ancestry!!!

Yep, don't know when found it working tonight :-)

Has Ancestry put Huge Wallis back?? I couldn't get him last week: started a thread and was told there was a virus.
I hope it is resolved? I haven't tried since. I normally use it all the time!

Yes I'm here thanks! I'll keep on thinking.......................

Hi Carole

Try Hugh Wallis batch numbers

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hugh
wallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryScotland.htm#PageTitle
(needs putting back together, no spaces
)
They don't have any submitted records so tend to be more accurate. You search by the village/town church for a surname you can then refine the search using the batch number. It also helps that you can see the years available (or not) for a particular area. I did notice earlier when I looked for Roberts birth that only girls were listed in that batch!?!

Regards
LfW

Another 'Oh Dear'
Bye bye Bishopwearmouth!!
The record is pretty precise about ages and they just don't match the birth dates I have, on official records, for Jane and Robert.
Hope you have spotted this post Julie; before you waste time on Robert and William???

Whilst all this could prove useful sometime...... Nothing is ever wasted.......
......I must get back on track and SEARCH FOR THE MYSTERY WIFE?......
I'm not very successful with Familysearch. Do either of you know if there are any clever advanced searches, that can be done, that give any additional marriage information?
I wish there was a manual, called ... FAMILYSEARCH FOR DUMMIES? ....I have learned a couple of tricks recently, that I knew nothing about. Unfortunately, not to do with marriages

Parish Records Collection 1538-2005 baptism
Day: 12
Month: Jan
Year: 1831
Forenames: Robert
Surname: CARR
Fathers Forenames: Robert
Occupation:
Mothers Forenames: Jane
Mothers Surname:
Birth day: 30
Birth month: 08
Birth year: 1828
Abode: Hendon Terr.
Place: Bishopwearmouth
Description: St. Michael
County: Durham
Country: England
Checked: Y
Other info:
Other Father: mariner
Other Mother:
Notes:
Record source: Northumberland and Durham Baptisms
Data provider: Northumberland & Durham Family History Society
Transcriptions © Northumberland & Durham Family History Society

Oh dear!!!!
Definitely proved wrong on the Warkworth one!!! They had to be elsewhere in the next two censuses; and they had to be using the name Pettigrew in 1871.

The Bishopwearmouth one is still possible .... but it doesn't feel right. I am keeping it in reserve though??
The two deaths would fit if they check out?

We already have Robert & Jane as Petticrew in 1871 census so they can't be those Carr's. Going back to the other Carr's there are deaths for Robert & William Carr 1861 & 1862 in Durham on free BMD -haven;t checked out the birth possibilities for them yet though.

1881 census transcription details for: Newton On The Moor, Newton On The Moor
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 5120 Folio: 34 Page: 8

Reg. District: Alnwick Sub District: Warkworth
Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Newton On The Moor City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Newton On The Moor, Newton On The Moor
County: Northumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
CARR, Robert Head Married M 51 1830 Coal Agent (Merchant)
Shilbottle, Northumberland
CARR, Jane Wife Married F 54 1827
Shilbottle, Northumberland

Now saying born Shilbottle, occupation Banksman.

1871 census transcription details for: Newton On The Moor, Newton-On-The-Moor
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 5169 Folio: 33 Page: 6

Reg. District: Alnwick Sub District: Warkworth
Enum. District: 3C Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Newton-On-The-Moor City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Newton On The Moor, Newton-On-The-Moor
County: Northumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
CARR, Robert Head M 41 1830 Northumberland
CARR, Jane Wife F 44 1827 Northumberland

Is this them

1861 census transcription details for: 19, Milburn Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 3769 Folio: 40 Page: 27

Reg. District: Sunderland Sub District: 1 North Bishop-Wearmouth
Enum. District: 10 Ecclesiastical District: St Andrews
Parish: Bishopwearmouth City/Municipal Borough: Sunderland
Address: 19, Milburn Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
CARR, Robert Head Married M 34 1827 Engine Man
Tweedmouth, Northumberland
CARR, Jane Wife Married F 30 1831
Tweedmouth, Northumberland
CARR, Robert Son M 2 1859
Bishopwearmouth, Durham
CARR, William Son M 0 (10M) 1861
Bishopwearmouth, Durham

Now we have 'shot down in flames' the baby Pettigrew death .. I suppose we should look at the Easington Carrs again? In April 1861, they had a two year old named Robert ... and a 10 month baby named William. ... Neither of these are with my family at the next census, so if this is the correct family unit, the children must both have died? ... Robert before March 1864, when another Robert was born?

I said I had reasons for favouring the Warkworth couple Jane and Robert Carr, despite their claim to have been born in Northumberland! .. and the fact that they are using the name Carr at an unexpected date!
The link is complicated ... but here goes ...
Jane's sister, Isabella's third!! husband was one William CUTHBERTSON.

Jane's eldest Montgomery child, David, lived in the CUTHBERTSON house for some time.

David travelled to Durham, where he met and married an Elizabeth Purvis, daughter of Thomas Purvis a coalminer

Thomas Purvis was related to a John Purvis a farmer in Warkworth, Northumberland.

In the 1851 census, John Purvis had, living at the farm, his aunt Ann CUTHBERTSON, widow of a George Cuthbertson. (Previous thread, John Purvis of Northumberland)

As I said, a bit complicated but a solid link nontheless: so I wouldn't be amazed if the Warkworth couple turned out to be my Robert and Jane?

I think I have found seven spellings of Pettigrew to date? It threw me in the beginning but now I largely ignore it.