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Totally get your reasoning but can we prove it??

Sorry my internet dropped out.... Just got it back up.

Give me about 30 mins and i'll carry on where i left off.

Well proving it we would need a death cert, and i think i found one when my net cr*pped out.... the age is slightly off i remember, but then thats going to happen if she died down there and they didn't truely know her age.

The house she is living in has upwards of 8 people living there, a whole family and then about 4 or 5 lodgers, so a BIG house... and wrongly transcribed to, the household goes over 2 pages but for some reason the transcriber has split it in 2?

There maybe a chance it is a relation.... maybe a sister of hers or a friend of a friend... again not looked into it too much when i got booted.

So give me a short while and like i say i'll dig a bit more for you.


Tracey x

ok Euphemia Gibb who married in New Yorks america' daughters Euphemia Murray & Mary C Murray were living with Grandma Mary Colvin Gibb in the 1861 Census..... Maybe she took the kids back to America to be with thier parents?


Emma

I can't see the kids travelling to Britain only to be shipped back, that would have been a very expensive and timely excercise?

Are you certain the parents didn't follow as well?

I have american census's let me look for her in 1871....

Tracey

I have 1861 census for scotland with the kids staying with Aunty Mary Colvin Gibb but no adult parents with them. As I said it was a wealthy family & both children were students at home. I can't find Euphemia after her wedding which was in a Liverpool newspaper I searched using

http://access.gale.com/newstrial/

Emma, gonna see if a friend will get me SP cert of Thomas Gibbs death

Emma

Do you have any proof they were born in America?

I cannot find the children on any outbound record...yet.

Nor can i find them returning to America.


Tracey

Name: William Murray
Spouse Name: Euphemia Gibb
Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1853
Marriage Place: New York City, New York, New York

Marriage ID: 2220315680
Other Comments: On microfilm at Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah.

Source: The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record (quarterly), 1932, selected extracts
Publisher: New York Genealogical and Biographical Society
Publication Place: New York, NY

Just whats on 1861 Scottish census

Name: Euphemie S Murray
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: New York Bs, America
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 108 Lauriston Place
Occupation: Scholar (privately At Home)

Name: Mary C Murray
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relationship: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: New York Bs, America
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 108 Lauriston Place
Occupation: Scholar (privately At Home)

YUP that's the parents wedding I found in a Liverpool paper's BMD!

William must have been from there?

fancy a trip to Salt lake city lol

Could this be Euphimia Gibb's arrival in New York?

Name: Miss Gibb
Arrival Date: 17 Sep 1852
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Scotland
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Ship Name: Glasgow
Search Ship Database: Search the Glasgow in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 30
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_119
List Number: 1318
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States


Tracey

i'm waiting for the image to load and see if there was anyone with her....


Tracey

Could well be! I have her birth as 1824 but we know how wrong that can be! Any sign of the Kids or William Murray

Thank you so much for your help. I have been stuck on this one for ages & it seems like most have lost interest.

Em in Spain x

I can see no-one obvious with her, but then the writing is baaaad !!

I'll try and see what i can find on the kids.

Tracey

I think thats her! Arrived new york Sept 1852, Married new york 16/08/1853, kids born 1855 & 1856. Might be more kids about lol.

Look what i found !!!

Name: Euphemia Murray
Home in 1880: MT Pleasant, Jefferson, Ohio
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head of Household: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Father's birthplace: Scotland
Mother's birthplace: Scotland
Neighbors: View others on page
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
William Murray 56
Euphemia Murray 55
Euphemia Murray 23
Mary Murray 20
John Murray 16
Anna Murray 12

All the children listed as being born Ohio...!

...and yes they are all William & Euphemia's children!


Tracey

William listed as being born Scotland!


Tracey xx

"DANCING AROUND THE HOUSE!!!"

Wow!! Would I be able to get the image somehow?

I was right the daughters went back???!!!

YOU my dear ARE a GENIUOS!!

Em, who has rellie's in USA lol

Ooga chucka ooga chucka lol

Go Tracey, Go Tracey