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Hello,

I'm looking for a marriage betweeen my Great grandparents? Frederick Chapman and Ellen Younger, Formerly Edmonds. I have been looking for the last two days to no avail.

I know my Great grandfather was a widower in 1891 (census) and married in the 1901 (census). They were living in Camberwell, Peckham area of London at the time. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for reading this.

Kind regards,
Sandra

Have you found a death of her 1st husband

No but I had help to find the death of Frederick first wife in 1883. Ellen and frederick had children together by the time of the 1901 census. Their olderst child at that time was nine. Ellen had two previous children of 14 and 15, in the 1901 census.
Thank you for looking

Perhaps they were just living together and said they were married.

There is no marriage on FreeBMD even after 1901.

Kath. x

Perhaps she was still married to her first husband

Have you got birth certificates for their children? Do you have a death for Ellen?

I have a bith certificate for my great grandad. It is stated she was Ellen Chapman, late younger, formerly Edmonds. they were living at 17 New James street at the time of his birth.

I hadn't considered them not being married.

Thank you for helping

Who is son of Ellen and Fred (name) and when was when was he born?

I don't see her first marriage. Do you have her in 1891?

Rose

I have been looking and can't find

A marriage for Ellen to a Mr Younger
Any of the Youngers on the 1891
A birth for Ellen Younger though i could find one for Henry
And i couldn't see a birth for Ellen Edmonds to tie in

james Thomas Chapman born 30th November 1895 is the son of Frederick and Ellen. Although his date of birth, and age are slightly out on one of the census's. He was registered in Jan 1896.

Yes, I think I have her in the 1891 census, she was a visitor at the house my great grandfather was lodging at 43 Brayards Road, camberwell, Peckham. She had no children with her at the time.

I haven't been able to find anything, and it has been driving me mad. If I didn't have the birth certificate of my grandfather in front of me, I would question the marriage at all. I have also had trouble finding Elizabeth his sister.

When was Fred born and where? same Question for Ellen?

Fred born in Kentish town in 1859, and Ellen 1854 Peckham, London

I have no idea if this will help but his father was George Chapman and mother Elizabeth (unknown)

Ellen was listed as married in 1891.

There's a birth for an Eleanor Younger that could fit.

Rose

oh where did you find that. On my copy of the 1891 census, I cant make it out.

Can't even find a birth for Ellen! Wonder if she had a different first name, say Elizabeth Ellen and used her middle name.

This is the nearest I can find on the 1881. Peckham is now in the borough of Southwark (now London)


Ellen EDMONDS
Birth Year
Birthplace Southwark, Surrey, England
Age 29
Occupation Housekeeper
Marital Status U
Head of Household Thomas GRAMMER
Relation Serv


Dwelling 1 Eastbourne Ter Prince Of Wales
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341004
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0019 / 32
Page Number 1

Possibles?

Births Mar 1857
Edmonds Eleanor Wandsworth 1d 418

Births Sep 1853
Edmonds Eleanor Mary Ann Hackney 1b 274