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Ah thats the father of the said thomas im looking for, yes. hes 7 there.

so could there be some confusion as to who died in 1915 father or grandfather of the hard to find Thomas 1910/1911

possible as it doesnt actually say how old the thomas besley was when he died. and is same end of year.... still a mystery to unfold though!!

sorry what do you mean by "it doesnt ......" whats" it"

the information i have on a thomas besley dying in 1915 doesnt say how old he was.

oh ok perhaps thats the one then and the one in ww1 didnt die but where is this 1910/11 one? the puzzle continues as he isnt on the Army records

well thanks for all your help anyway, im not sure what to do on this front now!!! I think ill start on the jones's..

no but i do know he is buried somewhere in penarth so i think it means getting the wellies out and doing some ground research...

for info if you find Thomas 1884 ww1 is yours then this looks like the sons death index
Kenneth Hubert Besley
Birth Date: 11 Sep 1908
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1984
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire, Shropshire, Staffordshire
Volume: 28
Page: 467

his son was a thomas as well. I have found one for a thomas besley dec1911 williton aged 26??? but cant get the details.

It may or may not be useful to add to your notes. This is a bit earlier.

My ancestral uncle Thomas Culliford of Wiveliscombe 1785-1846 was widowed then married a widow called Martha Besley. She was born about 1790.
I'm not sure if she had children but she must have been married first to one of your relations.
Without going and hunting through my notes I am pretty sure she owned a farm called Chorleys.

Sue

Death index Dec 1911 is Thomas W age 26 years


so could that be this one 1891 census
Record

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Name: Thomas W Besley
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Watchet, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: St Decumans
Ecclesiastical parish: St Decumans
Town: Watchett
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Williton
Sub-registration district: Williton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household Members: Name Age
George Besley 15
James Besley 13
John Besley 49
John Besley 9
Mary Besley 45
Mary I Besley 11
Thomas W Besley 5
Welthian Besley 3

i really dont know will do some research over the weekend with family and see what they can remember, my brain is aching!!

you could send for the marriage cert. for Thomas/Lillian it should give fathers details
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ will cost £7 using index details posted

found Olive
Olive M
mmn Parish
E.Glamorgan
11a volume
1097 page
Dec quarter 1936 (not 1935)

The thomas besley we were looking for i have found out his birth was in 1904 march in Taunton so that may mean some of my tree is out of sync.
Still cant find parents!!

so looking at it it might be that thomas married elizabeth vernacombe...

so if you are now sure its this 1904
Name: Thomas Besley
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Taunton (1837-1974)
County: Devon, Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 287
A cert. will give parents names so i think that you may want to get it . Also if you are sure of Thomas/Lillian then their marriage cert would be helpful to have. If you do get any then post details on here and we can help again

well thanks for all your help so far, i think i may have gone around in circles without you. Will keep you posted and let you know who, how, why, what and where!!!
sylvie