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Aha, after several more tries, I finally managed to read my messages here. You are very welcome, and thank you for the lovely thanks.

Just one thing though: May's name really wasn't McCorMick. It really was McCorNick (see Rusty's birth, for instance).

Births Dec 1909
McCornick May W. Derby 8b 479

The 1943 marriage of your grandparents is

Name: George J Hubbard
Spouse Surname: May McCorNick

I would guess that this is her parents' marriage:

Name: William McCORNICK
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 590
to Annie Rolfe or Ann Swan

There are no McCornick-Swan births after 1911, but there are two McCornick-Rolfe births, 1914 and 1915 in Toxteth Park, who are probably May's brothers.

They married as McCorNick (Robert A, 1939 Ormskirk, Thomas R, 1947 Liverpool). Their deaths:

Thomas Rolfe Mccornick (dob 1915) Mar 1989 Wrexham Maelor Clwyd
Robert A Mccornick (age 33) 1948 Cardiff Glamorganshire

This is probably the death of your great-grandfather:

William Mccornick (age 68) 1950 Liverpool North Lancashire

I know it says McCorMick in the index for your dad's birth (I don't know what his actual birth certificate says), but that has to be an error.

May's birthdate, from her death record, was 19 Sep 1909. No May McCorMick birth was registered in the July-Aug-Sept or Oct-Nov-Dec quarter 1909.

If you do want to trace your family back ever, that bit is important.


Please do let me/us know how you get on with finding your cousins!

I cant thank you guys enough all day i have cried my eyes out at work because it brought back so much from my childhood, the bits you forget so once again

THANKYOU THANKYOU and THANKYOU ::))
i do have my nan's birth cert and it says her name as May Mccormick born 12th May 1908 in Salford but then her death cert says her birth was 19th Sept 1909 that dont make sence to me. I have just added everyone to my tree as i have just finished work and so tomorrow at work if i get chance i will try and email these leads that you guys have given me.
Only if you could see me i'm like the cat who got the cream, i never thought this would happen but down to you guys it did thank you once again. If you were here i would hug you all :)) Xxxx

Heh heh. Everybody here knows that if you hug *me*, I bite. ;)

I think, in fact I'd bet quite a bit, that the birth certificate you have is not the right one. Do get the Hubbard-McCornick marriage certificate; it will tell you May's father's name. See whether it matches the name on that birth certificate; also check her age when she married, and the father's occupations stated on each one.

Even if the father's name is the same (William is a common name, after all), I'd get the certificate for the 1909 birth I've posted, and see how it matches with the info on the marriage certificate.

To summarize it, that's this marriage certificate:

Marriages Jun 1943
Hubbard George J McCornick Birkenhead 8a 1278

and this birth certificate:

Births Dec 1909
McCornick May W. Derby 8b 479

(that is the *only* May McCornick birth)

-- and how interesting, when I went back to get those details, I forgot to change my search to "births" from "marriages" and accidentally found this marriage -- which matches with one of the births I sent you earlier (different spellling of the surname):

Marriages Jun 1938
McCornick May + James Burne
Birkenhead 8a 1508

I would be *very* curious about that one too. It seems May *was* married before her marriage to Hubbard. I wonder whether her husband was killed in WWII.

For info, I think the May McCorMick birth cert you have is a different person, and is this one in 1911:

MCCORMICK MAY 1909 2 Salford Lancashire
or this one
MCCORMICK MAY 1909 2 Salford Lancashire

Yes -- there are two identical entries and I don't pay to see the details to see whether there are actually two different people! And I can't spot your May otherwise.



>>>>> So the certificates I would definitely get, for sorting out May's identity, are:

Births Dec 1909
McCornick May
W. Derby 8b 479

Marriages Jun 1938
McCornick May + James Burne
Birkenhead 8a 1508

Marriages Jun 1943
Hubbard George J + May McCornick
Birkenhead 8a 1278


You're getting more than you asked/bargained for, and I'm glad it has helped and hope it does eventually put you in contact with your cousins.

Got May in 1911, I think; she's recorded (or at least transcribed) as Mary.

MCCORNICK WILLIAM 1881 30 Toxteth Park Lancashire
MCCORNICK ANNIE 1884 27
MCCORNICK MARY 1910 1

so could this mean i might be looking up the wrong person?? or could these people have spelt her maiden wrong along the line somewhere?
:))

Just to reply in the thread (many PMs later ;) -- yes, the birth cert you have for May McCorMick is the wrong one. The 1909 May McCorNick certificate is the one you want.

I've sent a list of the others you want too -- including that odd new one I ran into. ;)

May's name was spelled correctly when she married George Hubbard: May McCorNick. And in several other places (the other certificates I've advised to get). It just seems to have been got wrong on your dad's birth certificate -- although it may be right on the actual certificate, just transcribed wrong in the index.

You're going to have to get *me* those certificates for Christmas since I'm so madly curious about putting these people together!

Just adding a post to keep it up in My Threads for easy reference as Joanne and I have been going over some info by PM.

Joanne ........... ! PMs are good for info about living people, but this recent stuff belongs in the thread so I can find it (already it was on page 4 of My Threads) and we keep the story together. So I'll copy and paste.



"I now have May MccorNick birth cert

She was Born on 19th september 1909 in the Sub-district of Everton South West Derby County of Liverpool

May's father was William McCorNick and he was a Police Conetable and May's mother was Annie Rolfe

May was registered on 20th October 1909

Just gone through the Census and found William McCorNick and Annie McCorNick all the infor on that matches my Nans birth record but Annie got had TWO CHILDREN and ONE LIVING???
Mary McCorNick 1910 so what would that mean?

The Address matches May McCorNick birth cert and that her dad was a Policeman so now i'm really puzzled "



That question is an easy one. The census asked for a woman's total number of children and how many were living in 1911. May's mother had had another child who died before 1911. May was the one living child.



So ... yay! The birthdate matches the May Hubbard death record 100%:

Name: May Hubbard
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: 1977
Registration district: Great Yarmouth
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1395

so that is your May. And that ties all the rest (info about living people etc sent by PM) together.


We also have info about May's first husband from the marriage certificate (whose death we can't find for love nor money, including in WWII, but who would virtually certainly be deceased: married in 1938, May herself born 1909):


"James dad was WALTER BURNE (Deceased) and he was a farmer so i think James mother was a lady named Ann and thier lived in Salford with his sister named Emily and two brothers named Frederick and Walter all born in Salford. (this came up on the Census 1891)"


(James's surname was spelled Byrne on children's birth records)



So along the road here you've fleshed out the details of the life of the grandmother you were very fond of. ;)

I am kind of forgetting what you may have said about the other bit: any luck finding your Uncle Rusty's family?

I wasn't paying attention to that 1891 census info ...

Ann Burne 50
Emily Burne 14
Frederick Burne 13
> Walter Burne 7 - grandson
Mary Toole 36
Eliza Toole 16
Edward Toole 4

Could be, not necessarily.

Only two Walter Burne marriages 1900-1920

Walter Burne 1911 Ecclesall Bierlow
Walter Burne 1846 Reading

but there are Walter Byrnes aplenty.

I see only one really decent match in deaths to 1938:

Name: Walter G Byrne
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 49
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 666

or possibly

Name: Walter Byrne
Death Registration Month/Year: 1925
Age at death (estimated): 52
Registration district: Fareham
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 831


It's quite possible that James was from Ireland, with that surname. And possibly went back there.

James was 34 when he married May in 1938 = dob 1903/4.

Loads of James Byrnes born in England/Wales in that timeframe, no James Burne.

James Burne 1904 born in Birkenhead he took me a week to find.
But i could not find his Death!!
That has throw me with Annie McCorNick had two children & one Passed away
Just a thought could May McCornick be Mary McCorNick 1910???
I am going to send for James Burne Birth/ William McCorNick birth/ James McCornick birth in the next few days .

Have had no come back from my Unlce Rusty Children's but the way my father was with the family with my Nan & Grandfather passed away i'm not holding out.(time may not have heeled the wounds yet) thats why i don't speak to my family.
Once again thank you for all yoyr help and i keep for getting about this page.
Jo :))

will spend more time on this tomorrow at work when i have extra staff in
:))

Can you post the actual birth details for James Burne born in Birkenhead 1904? 'Cause it's going to take me more than a week to find, 'cause it ain't there. ;) (1903-1905, nope, nada, nowhere)

But if so, he's presumably with those Burnes in Birkenhead in earlier censuses I was looking at, originating in Scotland.


I'm not sure what you're asking about could May be Mary McCornick 1901.

Do you mean in the 1911 census? If so, yes, it's the one I posted a while ago:

MCCORNICK WILLIAM 1881 30 Toxteth Park Lancashire
MCCORNICK ANNIE 1884 27
MCCORNICK MARY 1910 1

which matches the William/Annie parents on the birth certificate, and you said matches his occupation. The birth certificate you have is absolutely the right one -- same birthday as on your nan's death record.


Is the James Burne you're talking about the one that's in the 1911 census?

BURNE JAMES 1904 7 Rochdale Lancashire

I think I posted that earlier too ... living with John Burne aged 3 and a Hannan family, parents Mary and Thomas.

Can Do tomorrow as all my paper notes are at work because if i bring them home i LOSE them don't ask how but i do

Marriages Dec 1908
McCORNICK William W. Derby 8b 590
ROLFE Annie W. Derby 8b 590

Births Sep 1910
MCCORNICK Annie W Derby 8b 511

could be the second child, although I don't see a death record. Aha, this one I think:

Deaths Sep 1910
McCormick Annie 0 W. Derby 8b 305

I checked the image at Ancestry -- Annie is in the McCorMick list, but she is at the *end* of that alphabetical list (after Thomas). The surname should have changed to McCorNick, but someone missed that.

So that is the second child William and Annie had, and she died in infancy.

Sorry didn't get back to you yesterday but my plans didn't work out to how i wanted them.

I am now going send of for William McCorNick Birth Cert and Annie Rolfe
I have been going through everything what i can remember about my nan , I can always remember her saying she was from Scotland!!
Now in 1992 i can remember this man wanting a family reunion,, this was one of them times when you do meet up with your parents and this man not 100% of his name it may have been Derreck or Dennis said he was nan SON (could this have been James burne??) he said he was removed from her?? then i was told to leave by my dad and then i never meet him again.. God my head hurts and i need sleep. I remember a photo was put in a local paper so i am going to go to the library when i get a day of and try and find this,, then trace this guy He was a few years older than my Uncle Rusty (Ronald G Russell). and also my dad has two sisters But one was adopted again was older than my dad and the other was his sister i think!!
The adopted one was/is called DAPHNE
his sister was/is called MARIE
jo

Joanne, your posts can be so hard to follow!

Daphne was *adopted by* your dad's parents? So she would have married (if she married) as Daphne Hubbard. There are several marriages for that name in Norfolk 1946-1975. If she was older than your dad, 1960ish would probably be about right, and there are a couple of possibles.

I think you know the name of his older half-sister, which I believe I sent you along with the info about Uncle Rusty's birth.

A bit of info about James Jr I may not have sent before, I'll send.


Btw, your nan saying she was from Scotland is no help, since we know for a certainty she was born in West Derby. It may be something she said because she was concealing facts for reasons we can guess.

I have sent away for the birth cert

and next month i will send
I am sorry about my english but i do have a bad form of Dyslexia
So again i'm sorry, I know what i want to write but i can't write it the way i should So I'm SORRY..

1.

Joanne, can you use "Edit" to delete the names of the three people whose birth certificates you've sent for? One or two of them may still be living, and certainly their children are or would be. That's why all this time I have not put the names in the thread here. Just say

"I have sent away for the birth certs of May's children"

and that way we know you're on the case, without posting personal details. ;)


2.

What I wanted to know was about this

"James Burne 1904 born in Birkenhead he took me a week to find."

I can't find a birth like that, and I can't find a James Burne born in Birkenhead in the 1911 census.

Can you just say where you found that person?




I do babble a bit, so I've put numbers 1 and 2 on the points in this post so it might be a little clearer. ;)

1-I found James Burne 1904 on the census with his grandparents from Ireland census 1911 with his brother.2- But not all came from Ireland.3-These people are from this mothers side i have just got to work out who is James's mum.

Then i found Walter Burne on the census and his parents,, which all these people came from Salfold.

James family is so hard to follow as the census show one minute with this family and the next with someone else

i'm going to take a break and order more cert.
:))