General Chat

See ya David. Take care xx

lol Seeya later Marie:))

LOL Fair enough David. I am not religious. I read up on them all and decided against them all !!! Time will tell. Best wishes Marie xx

I always thought there was a lot more invloved in the Christian kings sacking the Holy Land than religion:) But I think I'll leave this alone now as wars over which religion has more followers doesn't worry me - we all end up the same anyway:)

The reasons the crusades were mounted was to stop the holy city of Jerusalem and specifically the temple being occupied by the Saracens(muslims) to say you are a Christian, the crusades were mounted by Christian Knights supported by the pope and one of the main supporters of the crusades (The Knights Templar) was St Bernard , who founded a Christian order of Benedictine monks, a case of Christians recognising at an early stage that if Christians didn't seek to limit the amibitions of Muslims Christianity would be lost. And now the same situation appears to be arising. Either Christians stand up and support their religion in the face of Muslim growth or the decline in the churches in England will continue and the rise of the Mosques will increase which will inevitably lead to a Muslim predominance in this country. Marie

You too Tom:) Marie I've not read the Koran - but I don't think it's fair to judge all Muslims on what it teaches. I'm christian and certainly wouldn't want to be judged on everything the Bible tells me to do lol. I can honestly say that none of the Muslims I know are plotting to overthrow the Church of England:)

ok david, thanks for the discusion, i'll just stand down for a while, keep well. tom.

Hi David It is in the Koran that it is every Muslims duty to live and ensure that they are governed by the law of Allah and wherever a Muslim resides is considered to be part of Allahs Kingdom and all true Muslims must give Allahs Law precedence over any other man made laws. That is where I learnt about it from Marie xx

Hi Marie:) Can I ask what religion you're talking about and where you heard it? My understanding of most religions is that they believe their way is the right one. It's always been the same, which is one of the reasons England has been involved in religious persecutions, such as in the Crusades and of the Jews, Catholics and Protestants. I don't think any of us are in imminent danger of a modern inquisition:)

I think Tom made a good point re the ultimate intentions of a certain religious group. I have heard it said before and if that is true, it scares me rigid xx

Tom Although Harry said this thread wasn't about the BNP, it's largely how the thread developed. The BNP can't be discussed without going on about the racial issue because the BNP is a racist party, founded and led by racists.

I've heard them as well, Fred. They also complain about the people born and bred here who don't bother trying to get work and are happy to live off the dole and do 'cash in hand' work. Some of the loudest moaners are white people who are happy to live on benefits and work for cash in hand. I was surprised to see you writing positively about the BNP, I can find nothing remotely laudable about them. But I'm glad to hear you aren't a member. Gwynne

david, like everyone else you keep going on about the racial issue, and before you brand me a racist, i have asian members of my family and i love them dearly. it isnt a racial issue with most people, its religous, by their own admision a certain religion say their aim is to take over the world, and install their own religious laws, god help us all when that happens, which it will, maybe not in our lifetime but it will, fox hunting was outlawed because it was branded cruel, but no mention is ever made of the ritualistic religious slaughter of animals every day, i wonder why. tom.

Isn't it more logical that some police actually are racist? I know some who are and aren't even ashamed of it. Gwynne

Sounds more than feasible to me Harry. A case of give 'em what they want to hear ?

One final point.... All chief constables have to toe the government line on PC and other things. they will not get further promotions without it. They get brownie points for admitting they are in a racist organisation. Below them the whole charade goes on. less senior officers know there will be no further promotions unless they seem 'whiter than white' if you will pardon the expression. Policeman are recruited from your streets. they are no better and no worse than people in your neighbourhood. Happy days

Yes I feel let down, I think Britain is still Great Britain, even if many of our so called politicians would like our identity erased. Many of the things we used to do so well are being destroyed, the NHS and the schools were envied throughout the world, our politeness and even our reserved behaviour, our tolerance is slowly disappearing because we are angry about the way things are going. All because of the lunatics who have taken over this particular asylum.

David If it really is the case I couldn't agree more :0)

Muffy You might be right but as Debby said, if there's one place racism should be more unacceptable than anywhere it's within the system that upholds the law.

I agree with Harry. I think you can find anything anywhere if you look hard enough for it.