General Chat

April was 5 years old Susan, is that age acceptable to you, to be let out alone?

I wouldn't know, as I'd say every area/ country is different, as to when children can be given a bit of a free reign, from where I lived for a while in Spain, it was the norm for children to play out on a green or in a playground, with a parent looking in now and again

John,,


You ought to look at your 1st posting on this thread..

You were the 1st person to say NEGLIGENT PARENTS...

JohnLovesHorlicks Report 19 May 2013 10:04

I guess the most important thing is to find out whether she is still alive. And how long she lived after this abduction. Whether she was happy, whether she is happy?

Her parents have been frustrated in their efforts to find these truths, and have been dogged in their determination. It must have hurt deeply that so many people felt they were somehow involved in her disappearance, or negligent parents.

And I can remember clearly 2 events that happened before my third birthday, and many before I was 4. Little Maddy will have a good idea that something happened to her, if she is still alive somewhere

So either you think they were negligent or delete your 2nd posting as you cannot say other people shouldn't say they were negligent,
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Johns posts

Her parents have been frustrated in their efforts to find these truths, and have been dogged in their determination. It must have hurt deeply that so many people felt they were somehow involved in her disappearance, or negligent parents.


Totally right, Lynda. It is scurrilous to suggest they were negligent parents.


John doesnt say THEY DID , He says people

We are not debating what John says.

This thread is about Madeleine McCann.

I just hope she is happy and well cared for if she is still alive.

Sharron you are right

But as I,ve said its down to "some people " to decide what would happen to her IF she is found and sadly those "some people" are people like us!

*IF* she were to be found alive, she may not have English as her usual language. It would be traumatic for her to be returned to her family if she had been adopted, which of course she would.
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Added - It isn't up to us to decide who she would live with, but the Law, the Courts, and Social Services. If she is mature enough to make an informed choice, surely that would be taken into consideration especially if adoptive parents did so in innocence?
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All of the family would need counselling, not only the parents and Madeline but also the twins. I do wonder what their (the twins) home life is like when you consider the efforts the parents have put into looking for their eldest child.

DetEcTive you are very right but not only that would the general public leave them alone ....at home at school and just going down the street would be a bl"" dy hightmare

What ever happens, and and I really hope that there is a good out outcome but Maddys parents and their friends who they were with that night are going to feel guilty for the rest of their lives I would think.

And if she was to stay with the people whom have her would they come to blows with the law!?

she would be returned without a doubt to her family,

personally i dont think she should be, regarless of what people think is right or wrong, they left a 3 small children on there own for long periods of time in a strange place and had done for night after night, they admit this, so its FACT, the meaning of neglect on an online dictionary.........

ne·glect (n-glkt)
tr.v. ne·glect·ed, ne·glect·ing, ne·glects
1. To pay little or no attention to; fail to heed; disregard: neglected their warnings.
2. To fail to care for or attend to properly: neglects her appearance.
3. To fail to do or carry out, as through carelessness or oversight: neglected to return the call.


in leaving them alone they failed to care for them properly so therefore they DID neglect the children sadly,

i hope and pray she is alive, and well, but sadly i dont think we will ever find out,

StrayKitten
The problem is the only LAW that would be able to provide cover for this act or crime
Is the 1954 abuse and neglect of a minor in their care act and from what I have seen they would quite easily over ride that law for many reasons

Re: Neglect...I think this is relevent to this case

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/research/briefings/childneglect_wda48222.html

"The government guidance for England, Working together to safeguard children (HM Government, 2010), defines neglect as:

"…the persistent failure to meet a child's basic physical and/or psychological needs, likely to result in the serious impairment of the child's health or development. Neglect may occur during pregnancy as a result of maternal substance abuse. Once a child is born, neglect may involve a parent or carer failing to provide adequate food, clothing and shelter (including exclusion from home or abandonment); protect a child from physical and emotional harm or danger; ensure adequate supervision (including the use of inadequate care-givers); or ensure access to appropriate medical care or treatment. It may also include neglect of, or unresponsiveness to, a child's basic emotional needs."

and its that bl**dy word persistent that worries me !!

If returned home this poor child dont stand a chance

Whatever you think about the parents negligence or not I am quite quite sure they have paid for it a thousand times over, I'm sure they must say to themselves over and over again "If Only"......
Now our police are saying that they have more evidence, suspects, whatever but are not getting the corporation from the Portuguese police that is needed ....that I think is quite disgraceful. The Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo have done great work but some of the victims have refused DNA tests as they are happy as they are ...... !!
Lets hope and pray that little Maddy is found safe and well and happy one day soon!

When this case was first reported there was something in the story that just did not ring true.

I believed then as still I do now that the parents knew more than they have admitted to.

i have to say i agree with you IGP, and i have looked well into this case, as have a few others i no, and something is not right.......

It was 3 children left unattended not just a lone child,

the twins seem to get forgotten about.



If alive this little girl will now be 10,school age hopefully being educated and possibly some computer use along the way.

She will be aware of the defect in her eye,which hopfully she will reconise herself in an instance and the whole story of who she is by way of the internet or newspaper stand.

How many times have we read in the papers, that "something isn't right" or heard someone say " something isn't right there, I just know it" Loads of times, just like in the case of Joanna Yates, who was murdered, too many people said "they just knew it was Christopher Jefferies, the landlord because he looked odd" Only it wasn't him. Without FACTS too many people point too many fingers, and there are too many armchair detectives who read too many wrong stories on the internet.

IF the McCanns are dreadful parents, then someone ought to phone Social services to have there twins taken from them, because in case anyone has forgotten, they are still living with there parents.

I really cannot believe the amount of venom there is for the parents of Madeleine, if it turns out that they were responsible for her disappearance then they will go to court. As it is a child is missing, taken from her bed, that means someone took her, perhaps it would be better if the venom was aimed at the abductor, or are you saying the abductor, is not so important? :-(

I totally agree - armchair detectives getting things totally wrong. Why do people keep thinking they know more than the proper authorities? People make accusations, assumptions based on absolutely nothing. I think maybe at least the police have proper evidence and facts to work with.
People that make these assumptions are no better than "over the garden wall" gossips and trouble makers.