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Janey, give me the link to your Ernest HIil/Monck. Not the "endless tall tales and true of the legendary rather quaint Monck" saga, just his details. I figured I am climbing over so many Hills I might as well have his data for elimination purposes!!

I am waiting to hear from Kensington library in answer to a Hilly question I have offered them for amusement.

The Hill household in 1851 in Cornwall is:


Francis Hore Hill 31
- Francis Hoar(e) Hill, baptised 1819, Tamerton Foliat, Devon
- father James Hill, mother Ann (Hoare?), brother Stephen Hoare Hill, 1822
Sarah Emmett Hill 31
- Sarah Emma Bond, of the Bonds of Erth (Bond, James Bond!), St Stephens by Saltash 1819
Mary Emma Hill 8
- allegedly born in St Helier, Jersey, married (or not) John Cheshire
(I have been in contact with her grx2 granddaughter ... in Cheshire)
William Hophen Hill 6
- William Stephen Hill, born 1844, Stoke Damerel (Plymouth/Devonport), Devon
- last seen in 1861 in Plymouth, sailor boy
Jacob James Hill 4
- known as James, in London 1871 married to Elizabeth Pearce, died 1873 of tuberculosis
Iva Jane Hill 2
- died in 1860s
Florance H Hill 2 Mo
- died in 1860s

Ernest Augustus Hill born Dec 1851 in Cornwall
- called himself Monck from late 1870s
Ada Lennox Monck Hill born Q4 1854 in Cornwall
- Ada the Actress - called herself Monck when married in 1875
Alfred Lennox Hill
- born 1856 Cornwall, died 1857 Plymouth

Those are the ones I know of, anyhow!

William Stephen Hill born 1844, last seen in Devon in 1861, is the unknown factor - did he survive to marry? Have kids? Move to London with the rest of them? Go to sea? Emigrate? There are one or two vague possibilities in later censuses, but no way of yaying or naying.

He's the one who could, odds being several hundred William Hills to one, be father of your Ernest, grandfather of ... Frederick, is it?

- edit - James is also a bit of an unknown. He was a newlywed in the 1871 census, died two years later (interestingly, was baptized a few weeks before death, when the younger ones had been baptized en batch in 1857) - quite possibly had a kid or two before or even after his death, but I've never been able to trace widow Elizabeth from there.

That would give you Smiths of St Cleer, if so. ;) Unless the Smiths are actually in the Bonds of St Stephens by Saltash line. I forget ...

Thank you for the information. Will have a look see tonight.

Ray, sigh, tsk, given names and birth dates if you please.

:evilgrin:


(AuntyS, see my edit above re James)

Lady Augusta we must be related. Did You read my post at the beginning of this thread.


"I think I have at least 6 groups of Smiths.

My favorite was Edward John Napolean Smith.my 4x great grandfather.

On another branch I am having trouble finding anything else about Etherlinda Smith other than 1841 census.
But sorry none in in Hampshire or Somerset that I remember."


"I have quite a few Smiths in my tree, my favorite is Edward John Napoleon Smith my 3xgt,grandfather he married Ann Marriott in Shoreditch on 31st Dec 1839. Also one of his sisters was called Sarah Louisa Maria Smith.
Most of mine are from east london. "



Aha we are already in conntact. I did not know your board name.

Shelly - I found your Nathan's birth, anyhow!

Births Mar 1876
MARRITT Nathan Chesterton 3b 510


Gwyn, more info about your Grantham Marriott, please!

No Smiths for me but shed loads of Jones', try not to get too upset that we aren't related...lol

Sue

I can only imagine the lengths some will go to, to be not related to moi. ;)

Disclaiming Smiths in one's tree would be an easy one!

I, on the other hand, may actually have a peripheral Jones. The MrB who went from Wiltshire to Scotland to Wiltshire and back, at some point in between apparently fathering a grxsomething grfather of mine with some unknown wife, had an older sister named Ann, born 1785ish, who just may, at a bit of an advanced age, have married a widowed Mr Jones and ended up, hm, in Somerset I think it was. Not, of course, having had any offspring ...

Noooooooooooo *checks to make certain that my Jones' never visited Scotland*....phew.....good effort but no cigar :-))

Sue

Ah ha Supercrutch. I see we are expending all our collective energies desperately trying to prove there is no possibility we could possibly be related to Janey.


Locks door of spare room and rolls out barbed wrie across driveway!!!

JONES, ...Did you say JONES?

Ah now, I can offer a few JONES links.....
Would you like Herefordshire, Herefordshire to Wales,...or just the born-and-bred-in-Hampshire ones?....You never know, they may link to your SMITHs.

Any takers for George JONES a labourer of unknown heritage born c. 1813.?

Gwyn

Yes, SuperC, but ha, you misled yourself. It was Ann Jones maybe née Barnard who was born in Wiltshire and ended up in Somerset, and her brother who went to Scotland. I doubt she ever considered it. Her hubby George Jones seems to have been purely Somersetish.

See, if I throw in red herrings and get you all all muddled, you will all say "no, can't be mine, mine weren't / mine never, mine were ..." -- and fall right into the trap. Just like the coppers do. "I couldn't have killed Col Mustard in the lounge, I was in the library!" "Ha, that's where Col Mustard was killed, gotcha."

Janey, I too have the dreaded Smiths ..only no imaginative first names..just Elizabeth or William which sometimes (can you imagaine!) got shortened to Lizzie of Will.

Have to admit my heart sank when I reached this part of the tree in Scotland...I so wish my ancestors had been a bit more creative in names!

Scottish Smiths, I didn't know! It just seems like such an English name.

You need to have a word with Cynthia, if your Smiths are from a strange and foreign place called Dysart. ;) If not, well, say where, and you never know!


Sadly, it turns out that while Gwyn's Marriott was born in Grantham, his Marriott father was from Cambridgeshire. Sigh. No cousins for me. And no B & B in Toronto for Gwyn!

I know Janey a very English name but definately Scottish and they are all up around Montrose...not sure if that is near Cynthia's mob as I'm not in the country...

Does it count as potential Smith Club membership if all the generations then on incorporated Smith into a middle name? (Must have been the only tiem they showed some sort of creativity..or they ran out of names!)

Grace, they're not my mob, they belong to my OH and he hasn't a clue - I do all the work on them - and yes, some of ours incorporated Smith as a middle name too if I remember rightly! So inconsiderate of them. I live in England but would have to consult a map to guage the proximity 'twixt Dysart and Montrose! Had never heard of the place till I started my research.

Don't give up on finding cousins JC, I found my OH a very nice umpteenth cousin through looking for Taylors interlinked with Smiths!


Now if I came across a Monck in my family, I may well have a panic attack - and so would you! lol Cx.

Janey, Knowing your predilection for thoroughness I would imagine you have probably found these two sites. They are connected the second one is a link from the first.

If you find the Linkinhorne folios you can scroll through the entire census. I have looked through the 1851 census and there are probably enough Hill's and others there to keep you occupied. You will need patience with the scrolling. It is called the Cornwall Online Census Project.

https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Cornwall_Census

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/51901e.html