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I have a William Stacey b c1839 in my tree. I know his father was John but was unsure of anything else. I recieved his birth certificate today and it only had a mothers name on.
Is there any way I can be sure I have the right certificate?

Many thanks for any help anyone may be able to give.

Rebekah

If the father's name is not on the cert, the child was illegitimate.

Where did you find out that his father's name was John?

If it was on a marriage cert, there is no guarantee of the veracity of the info..........many, many, 'fathers' are named on marriage certs for the sake of propriety.

Reg

I got his fathers name from his marriage certificate.
Should I not take this to be the case?

hi Rebekah

In this case no you shouldnt - Assuming the bc and the mc are for the same William, then you would have to say he made up a father when he married.

Have you checked the 1841 and 1851 census to see if there was more than one William?

Jacqui

As Reggie says, lots of illegitmate children "made" up a name for their marriage cert or used the name of their mother's subsequent husband, ie their unoffical stepfather

Rebekah, was he baptised? If so, the parish records might tell you if he was illegit. Sometimes they say 'illegit of' some of them say base born or even bastard. Some just have the mothers name and in the occupation square 'single woman'. Parish records can be quite helpful at times.
Huia.

Many thanks.
His mothers surname on his birth certificate is also Stacey so am not sure if that would have been a married name for her or her maiden name

Hi Rebekah

Do you want a 1841 look up for him

yes please if possiable.

His birth cert says he was born on 5 jan 1839 in midhurst and his mother was mary ann Stacey.

I have found more than one Midhurst on the map but my crtificate has the counties of Salop and Southampton on.

Many thanks

Theres this one its not down but mums name is Ann White

Wm Stacey
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil Parish: West Bourne
Hundred: Westbourne and Singleton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Westbourne
Sub-registration district: Westbourne
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Stacey 5

Rebekah

If Mary Ann was married the cert would say

Mary Ann Stacey formerly ............. so it looks like she was single.

Confused by Salop and Southampton they are at opposite ends of the country.

How did you come to be researching him in the first play? Have you got him on later census.

No can see one that i would say was him sorry

On the birth certificate at the top it says registration district Midhurst in the sub district of midhurst in the counties of Salop and Southampton.

William would have been my3 x great grandad on my mothers side.

My great gran was Edith Rose Stacey b 17 06 1901 her parents were John Stacey and Fanny Mansey.b 1869 and 1872. John and Fanny married 17 02 1892 and on there marriage and birth certificate it has his father as William.
The family were from the Farnham area and on the map there is a Midhurst not far from Farnham.

Is this John in the 1891?

Name: John Stacy
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Great Marlow
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Great Marlow
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Great Marlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ada Stacy 4
Bertie Stacy 11
Elizabeth Stacy 48
Florence Stacy 9
Harry Stacy 2
Herbert Stacy 12
John Stacy 22
Kate Stacy 7
William Stacy 48

Ok this looks like John in 1871.

WIlliam was born Wibsey???

John Stacey
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Bourne, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Farnham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Farnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Stacey 33
Harriett Stacey 13
Harry Stacey 7
John Stacey 2
William Stacey 32
William Stacey 5

This is the best match I can see for William in 1841.And he does have a father John.

Go to go now, but think maybe you should check BMD for other William births in Surrey. Salop/Southampton doesnt sound right to me.

William Stacey
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Farnham
Hundred: Farnham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Farnham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Stacey 45
Charles Stacey 6
Jane Stacey 15
John Stacey 45
John Stacey 9
Mary Stacey 12
William Stacey 3

Hi Rebekah
There is a Midhurst not far from Southampton so where does the Salop come into this. The old abbreviated name for Shropshire was Salop. Was there a Salop within West Sussex which has since disappeared?
Puzzled!
Paul

I thnik it must be the one near Southampton as it is also not far from Farnham where they moved to.

I have not found any Salop in West Sussex and Shropshire seeems to be to far away from southampton to have them both on his birth certificate.

Many thanks to you all for your time and help.

Rebecca,

I'm sure it says Sussex not Salop. The double S was written differently years ago.

Rose