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My great great grandad Harry Pudner (Henry?) married Mary Ann Solomon in JunQ 1890. She is down on the census as being born in Scotland in 1874. On the marriage certificate her father is down as John Solomon.

A kind GR member (sue lowrie?) managed to find her birth for me on Scotlands People a while ago, with it being registered in the parish of Greenock, mum's maiden name being Kellow and her birth date being May 1st 1872 at 11.50am, 3 Pellingborn St, Greenock.

Mary Ann Kellow had written under her name the following - June 2nd 1855 Truro England.

I've searched FreeBMD and found a birth for Mary Ann Kellow in Redruth Sep 1855.

On the census I thought I found the right Mary Ann Kellow (b Gwennap) but this wasn't her - she was still unmarried and with her family in 1881 census.

I've looked on the Scotland, England and Wales census for John, Mary and Mary and I can't find them. I also can't seem to find a marriage for John Solomon and Mary Ann Kellow anywhere! Can anyone help me work out where to go next please?

Thanks!

Laura

What is the occupation of John Solomon?

Scottish census on Ancestry can be searched by occupation.

Will have to dig out the cert, can't remember off the top of my head. I feel like I'm surrounded by boxes and bags of paper at the moment in my study! (I'm a teacher...)

Will have to try that when I find it.

thanks,
Laura

Probably just confusing the issue but there is this marriage

Mary Ann Kellow
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Truro
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 283

John Soloman on same page

Others on the page are James Lugg and Jane Oates

Gail.

Scottish birth certs do give dates of marriage for the parents - sometimes the dates are wrong - so that marriage could be the right one.

maybe it was a marriage then, and not dob for the mum as I first thought - i would imagine then that they had lots of earlier children>? And she would be one of the youngest? They would have been married almost 20 years before she was born!

Laura

Thanks x

1861 census

This lady says she is married on the census

Mary A Soloman
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Lodger
Where born: Truro, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Devon

Anna Aspenwall 25
Wm F Aspenwall 32
William Blackwall 23
Annie Cowling 14
George Cowling 58
James Elvins 30
Elizabeth Garlad 18
Arthur Letchner 19
Mary A Soloman 29
Mary A Trewolla 11

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1441; Folio: 71; Page: 4; GSU roll: 542813.


Then there is this 1871 scottish census

Mary Solomon
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relationship: Lodger
Where born: England
Registration Number: 564/1
Registration district: Greenock Middle
Civil Parish: Greenock Middle
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Smiths Lane 6
ED: 21

Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1871_97

Edward Adam 26
Jane Adam 24
Margaret Adam 2
Martha Adam 2 Mo
Mary Adam 4
Jane Messe 49
James Solomon 38
Mary Solomon 41
Elizabeth Terghdy 12
Florence Terghdy 2

Source Citation: Parish: Greenock Middle; ED: 21; Line: 18; Year: 1871.

Sadly it is James not John Soloman

Gail.

Laura I have one that had been married for 27 years & 4 months when their youngest child (my Nan) was born so it is possible.

Could it be a mistranscription/mistake with the James/John do you think?

Not had much luck finding John on the census, but then- if he was a seaman he was probably on ship...

Think this John on the census is a Seaman, the same Mary Ann Solomon from the 1861 census is with a John on the 1891 and he is a Seaman.....maybe he did not get home very often...................

Mary A Soloman
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Where born: Truro, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Charles
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: Plymouth
County/Island: Devon

John Soloman 61
Mary A Soloman 59

Class: RG12; Piece: 1728; Folio 40; Page 73; GSU roll: 6096838.

Gail

That one for 1861 is definitely likely as the daughter Mary Ann lived in Plymouth and married a Plymothian...

What about this from Family Search!!

Husband
JOHN SOLOMON

Birth:
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:


Wife
MARY ANN KELLOW


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:


Children

1. MARY ANN SOLOMON
Female

Birth: 01 MAY 1872 Middle-East-West Parishes, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

all looks very promising - thanks so much for all your help!

On the 1861 census image she's at the White Hart which I think is an inn in Plymouth near union street/the octagon... can anyone work out what it says for her occupation? Does it say framer? what is that?

Thanks

Hi Laura,

I thought it said Framer, but will take another look.

Gail.

Yes I think it is Framer

There is this one on the 1881 but little girl says born Penryn. Mother is married.

Mary Solomon
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Where born: Truro, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: St Gluvias - Penryn
County/Island: Cornwall

Street address: 7 Mutton Row
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Housekeeper

Registration district: Falmouth
Sub-registration district: Penryn

Mary Solomon 51
Mary Solomon 9

Class: RG11; Piece: 2319; Folio: 60; Page: 27; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341557.

Gail.

have a possible match for 1841, in Kenwyn which is near Truro... will buy the marriage certificate just after Xmas I think, that will give me the fathers names etc.

I think I got tied up with the Scottish link, when in fact she was just born there, everything else seems to be back down this end of the country!

Thanks again for all the help!

laura

Gail - maybe that's them but the person doing the census thought it was Penryn for the birth because that's where they lived?

Or am I just getting excited now? ! lol

Hi Laura

I hope it all leads somewhere anyway.

Be interesting to see if the marriage is the same date but different year from what was on the birth cert - June 2nd.

Gail.

interestingly, 1851 census has this

Mary Ann Kellow (*trewolla) b1833 st mary (truro) daughter
Elizabeth Trewolla head bPortsmouth 1805
Elizabeth Trewolla dau bSt Mary 1849
John & Margaret Walters - lodgers
John Toy age 9 - visitor

There was a Trewolla in the 1861 census with her I think? Maybe a niece of some sort?

And I've found a marriage -
Jun 1840 Elizabeth Kello_ married Edward Trewolla in Truro.

So, Mary Ann Kellow was obviously born before that marriage to a different father, hence keeping Kellow as her surname...