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Hi all,

I am having major doubts as to the consistency in my research into the Mawson side of my family tree.
I have a John Mawson, born circa 1840 in Darlington.
He worked much of hife as a brick yard manager (brick maker), and married twice.
Once to Elizabeth (surname unknown) and once to Martha Johnson.

I have a census image from 1851 which shows a John, born in Darlington with parents James and Hannah.
I am almost 100% that this is my family.
However I ordered John's second marriage certificate today and he has listed his Fathers name as John and not James.

Not sure where to go from here as I have been unable to find his birth cert or 1st marriage cert.

Paul

You need to start at the 'other end'...and work backwards, step by step.

What is the stated occupation of the father on the marriage cert?

When did the marriage occur?

Reg

The Fathers occupation is stated as labourer

Is this John in 1891?

Name: John Mawson
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Darlington, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Boldon
Ecclesiastical parish: Hedworth St Nicholas
Town: Baldon Coll
County/Island: Durham
Country: England


Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Mawson 48
John Mawson 51
Robert W Mawson 14
Thomas Mawson 19

Have you documented evidence that this is the correct John Mawson?

Reg

If you ordered the marriage certificate from the GRO then both this document and the 1851 census image are essentially transcripts so either one could have the fathers name copied incorrectly.

I would suggest either try and find the same couple in a later census to confirm the name is correct or get hold of a copy of the marriage from the parish register as this is effectively the original

Hope this helps

1871??

Name: John Manson
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Darlington, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Sadberge
Ecclesiastical parish: Sadberge
Town: Sadberge
County/Island: Durham
Country: England


Registration district: Darlington
Sub-registration district: Aycliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 11l
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 95
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Manson 28
James John Manson 10
John Manson 31 OCC: Ag Lab

Image is Mawson

Reg

I have a great uncle who was known as James, but was registered as John

Looks like he married three times...if this is the right chap in 1861

He is a brickmaker

Name: John Marson
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary J
Gender: Male
Where born: Darlington, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Dinsdale
County/Island: Durham
Country: England


Registration district: Darlington
Sub-registration district: Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 24c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
James J Marson 2 Mo
John Marson 21
Mary J Marson 22

Reg

Possible first marriage.......


Mary Janson 1859 Oct-Nov-Dec Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

John Mawson 1859 Oct-Nov-Dec Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

Reg

Ok.

My Grandfather was John Thomas Mawson born 1908.
His birth certificate states that his Father was called Robert William Mawson and his Mother was Margaret McGeorge.
Roberts marriage certificate says that his Father is called John, and is a brickyard manager.

That is how I came to the belief that the John on the census was my relation

Hope that helps

Does Robert William's age on marriage cert fit with his being 14 in 1891?

The John Mawson in 1861 would certainly seem to be the same one as the 1891 'version'.

Any thoughts on all the info posted?


Reg

Could his birth year be slightly out?

Have you got either of these certificates?

Births Jun 1838
MAWSON John Darlington 24 48

Births Jun 1839
Mawson John Darlington 24 53

Possible death for Elizabeth?

Deaths Dec 1894
Mawson Elizabeth 52 S. Shields 10a 442

And possible death for Mary?

Deaths Mar 1862 MAWSON Mary Jane Darlington 10a 8

Let us know if we are on the right track?

Selena

Apologies, been at work tonight and only just checked the thread.

I am astounded that I missed the fact he had 3 marriages. I never did think to search on surname variations.

I have Elizabeths death certificate, but I do not have John's birth certificates.
Now that I know there is two so close together I may just have to order both and make sure his parents didnt have a son that died young and called the following son by the same name.

I have been unable to check Robert Williams marriage cert again but I will do 1st thing tomorrow.

Still perplexed by the John/James think - maybe an emunerator error.

Thanks to everyone for there help, sometimes even the most blatant of things isn't obvious when your looking at things the wrong way.

Robert William Mawson was 24 years old in December 1900 - according to his marriage certificate.

So that would match his age in 1891

Possible death of wife number one

Name: Mary Jane Mawson
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Darlington
County: Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
Volume: 10a
Page: 8

The possibility remains that the father was John James, but preferred to be known as James, although his first name was quoted on official documents

Almost all of my father's family were known by their second forenames..........tracing their bmd info was a nightmare!

Reg

Possible marriage of the couple on 1851........knocks on the head my theory above!

Thomas Brownrigg 1837 Oct-Nov-Dec Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

Mary Clark 1837 Oct-Nov-Dec Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

>>>>> James Mawson 1837 Oct-Nov-Dec Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

>>>>> Hannah Robinson 1837 Oct-Nov-Dec Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

Ann Stephenson 1837 Oct-Nov-Dec Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

James Ward 1837 Oct-Nov-Dec Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

Ann Woodend 1837 Oct-Nov-Dec Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

William Wray 1837 Oct-Nov-Dec Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

Reg

Robert's birth? probably 1876

Births Jun 1874
MAWSON Robert William Darlington 10a 33

Births Sep 1876
MAWSON Robert William Darlington 10a 29

Selena

Hi all,

I hope you all had a good Christmas.
I have just returned home from a holiday in the lakes to find the most recent certificates I ordered lying on the doormat :)

Right here goes........

I have the following marriage certificates;

November 12th 1837 - [b]James Mawson[/b] (a full age - Labourer - Father called John) & [b]Hannah Robinson[/b] (a full age)

November 28th 1859 - [b]John Mawson[/b] (21 years - labourer - Father called James who is a labourer) & [b]Mary Ianson [/b] (21 years)

November 10th 1864 - [b]John Mawson[/b] (25 years - brick maker - Father called James who is a farm labourer) & [b]Elizabeth Watson[/b] ( 23 years)

April 8th 1896 - [b]John Mawson[/b] (56 years - brick maker - Father called John who is a labourer) & [b]Martha Johnson[/b] (40 years)


And I have the following birtch and death certificates;

Birth: June 2nd 1839 - Darlington - [b]John Mawson [/b] - (Father called James Mawson who is a labourer, Mother called Hannah Mawson, formerley Robinson).

Death: November 22nd 1894 - [b]Eliabeth Mawson[/b], wife of John Mawson - foreman (brick maker).


Maybe I am looking in the wrong places, but does this info solve the James/John confusion?

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