Genealogy Chat

I've just been reading the WWl Service Record of a possible relation.

In 1908 (aged 18) this man from Clerkenwell, London (occupation -farm labourer!) enlisted at Cork (I presume S.Ireland) into the Durham Light Infantry.

I can't figure this out! - a farm labourer in London? He enlisted in Cork - could he have been a 'black & tan'? Should there be a connection with Durham?

Any military experts out there - I'd appreciate your comments.

M. Steer

If the DLI were stationed in Cork, he could have enlisted during the period they were there..........

You'd need to check records for the Regiment to establish where they were...........

Would you care to add his name?

Reg

Reg,

His name was Charles Willliam Saywell - I must stress that he may not be a relative.

How or why would he have got/gone to Cork to enlist?

Thanks,

M. Steer

He signed his papers at Stratford - on first image

Margaret

He 'joined up' at Stratford...............joined his regiment at Cork, which is presumably where they were stationed at the time

Reg

This marriage matches the details on Army records

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
Misom [M_]illy Rowe Bethnal G. 1c 448
Rowe Joseph Misom Bethnal G. 1c 448
Saywell Charles W Toone Bethnal G. 1c 448
Toone Daisy Saywell Bethnal G. 1c 448

Thanks both.

Just been doing some checking - the 'Black & Tans' weren't in Ireland in 1908 (not until years later).

I just wondered if MAYBE one of my Father's relative's was having an 'adverse' effect on my Mother's family.

M. Steer

This is taken from the regiments.org site. it shows the 2nd battalion DLI stationed in Cork in 1905

Terry

1881.07.01 2nd Battalion, The Durham Light Infantry
1881 Dublin
1882 Gibraltar & Malta
1885 Sudan
1887 India: Poona
Mhow
Poona
1899 Mandalay
1902 England: Aldershot
1905 Cork
1911 England: Colchester
1913 Lichfield

Thankyou Terry.

M. Steer

Thanks for confirming my theory, Terry..............

Reg

May I ask another favour please?

Image No. 3071 gives name & address of N.O.K., I'm having trouble reading this. I can read parent's names but can't figure out who Charlotte is or the address.

Does anyone have better eyesight that me?

Thanks,

M. Steer.

It would seem that Charlotte is his sister, but I can't imagine why her name would be recorded.......

The address is tricky.......perhaps someone with knowledge of the Bethnal Green area would be able to decipher/interpret it.

Reg

1901 census confirms that she is his sister

Name: Charles Saywell
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Matilda
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist Hoxton
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 184
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Saywell 34
Charles Saywell 10
Charlotte Saywell 2
Matilda Saywell 3

Reg

Thanks Reg,

I thought it might be his Sister but like you wondered why she would be named.

M. Steer

Were his parents dead when he enlisted and was it before he married? If so, she would have been his next of kin.

Do you want me to have a look at the address and see if I can decipher it for you? I have local knowledge of Bethnal Green.

Charlotte

Potty,

Both his parents are named so I assume they were alive when he enlisted in 1908. He was in the Army for about 10 years. I don't fully understand the sequence of these Records - his wife is also named, though he didn't marry until a few years later.

Charlotte (is that a coincidence?!) when he enlisted he states that he was living in Clerkenwell (no exact address given) but his N.O.K., were (it seems) living in Bethnal Green Road.

These Records cover several years and I can't be certain which date each entry covers.

Thankyou all for your input.

M. Steer

HIs wife is named, because he married whilst he was in the Army.....the records include details from the marriage cert. Once he married, she became his next of kin...............

Reg

Margaret

His wife's details would have been added when they married, as would the details of any children born whilst he was in the army.

Margaret

There is a Bethnal Green Road in Clerkenwell - Google Bethnal Green Road, Clerkenwell

Address looks like - Guiness's Buildings