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I wonder if anyone could help me. I'm quite excited to have found this information and have lots of questions and need a point in the right direction from others who are more experienced. Any help greatly appreciated.
I have just found that my great-great-great grandfather born c1809 was born in Botany Bay Sidney Australia. I have this info from the 1851 census when hre is living in Great Yarmouth. He must have come to England before 1835 as the census shows he had a son born in Gt Yarmouth in that year.
I can find no records of any Youens in Australia. Although I am not totally sure where I am supposed to be looking.
If he was born in Sydney why did he come to England? If he was the son of a convict would he have been able to come here. Would the cost of passage to England been alot? He was a sugar boiler, how could he afford it? Did he return with his parents?
Why were they in Australia if they were not convicts? (I can find no record of any Youens in the convicts records). Maybe I'm not looking in the right places?
Many Thanks and Kind Regards
Debbie

Debra
try looking for the birth in sydney at www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
this is the New South Wales registry of births deaths and marriages site - indexes. unfortuntely i don't think it has soundex etc, so you'll have to try different spelling versions with separate searches.
chriss

Possibly the child of a soldier stationed in Botany Bay, Try also having a look at:

http://members.innet.net.au/-perthdps/convicts/index.html

http://cedir.uow.edu.au/programs/FirstFleet/

http://www.freemantleprison.com

and

http://www.medicalpioneers.com

Col

Thank you Chriss
I have tried that but there is no record of him. I'm not sure what to do next.

Have you found him and his son in 1841? I have done a search but nothing is coming up in Norfolk.

What christian names are we lookig for - can't find him in 1851 either.

1851 just for info

Name: Isaac Youen
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maryann
Gender: Male
Where born: Botary Bay Sidney

Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth
Town: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: sugar boiler

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 1h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 131
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Youen 1
Isaac Youen 42
Isaac Youen 14 Gt Yarmouth
Joseph Youen 4
Maryann Youen 46 Gt Yarmouth
Maryann Youen 5
William Youen 16 Gt Yarmouth

At least I presume this is the family


1841 possible but need to check the image
Name: Isaac Gowen
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth
Hundred: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Great Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Northern
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Gowen 30
Isaac Gowen 4
Mary Gowen 35
William Gowen 7
Elizabeth Newman 10
Harriet Newman 2
Mary Newman 35
Mary Newman 15
Sarah Newman 2

Image is not clear and the surname has been altered


1861 poss
Name: Isaac Yawen
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: New South Wales, Lydney - Sydney on image

Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
Town: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Yawen 11
Isaac Yawen 52
Joseph Yawen 14
Mary Yawen 56
Mary A Yawen 15

Image for the 1841 that Glitter Baby found has him not born in county - nothing in country column

I wonder if he could be the son of a sailor - wives sometimes travelled with their husbands

Glitter baby. I think that definately looks like him in 1861. The stuff from 1851 is what I have for him, and it all matches up. Thank you for that. Will check the Gowan info, but it looks to match uo as well. Interesting that in both the 1841 and 1861 census the names are wrong.
Thats an interesting point Potty. I have no idea just yet whether his father was a sailor,
Thanks everyone for your help so far. You are very kind.
Debbie

How interesting, there cant be many people with that place of birth. There are a number of sites for aussie convicts etc.

He could have been the son of a soldier who was there to guard said convicts and Id have thought he could have returned either with his parents or worked his passage back.

Whatever, his parents must have been some of the first people there!

Oh, just found this on a google search - its a list of sugar refiners!!

YOUEN Isaac of Botany Bay, Sydney (sugar boiler) (age 42) (North Market Rd) Gt Yarmouth 1851 1851 census HO107/1806/592


http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugaryy.html

Possible marriage???

nty Norfolk
Place Norwich
Church St Paul BT
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 20 Jun 1833
GroomForename Isaac
GroomSurname YOUEN

GroomAbode
BrideForename Mary
BrideSurname GARNER

WitnessOneForename Joseph
WitnessOneSurname HEADLEY
WitnessTwoForename Martha
WitnessTwoSurname SEAMAN
Notes Groom signed with an X; Bride signed her name; Married by Banns

I wonder if this is a match, remembering if they couldn't read or write Youen sounds like Ewing. These are from BDM NSW

Birth:
Registration number and year: V18081929 1A/1808 EWING, ISAAC
Father: ISAAC
Mother: ELIZABETH

Marriage:

Registration number and year: V1806351 4/1806 Groom: EWING, ISAAC
Bride: EADLY, ELIZABETH

Eadly and Headley are also very similar!

This might be worth looking at also. The spelling of YOUEN may vary on records/Index's in Australia, written as it sounded YOUEN = EWEN = EWING
Its quite possible that Isaac 1809 could be the the son of a soldier stationed here.

Colonial Secretary Index, 1788-1825
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/colonial_secretary_1788-1825_252.asp

EWEN, Isaac. Private

1811 Sep 11
On return of a detachment of 102nd Regiment left in New South Wales (Reel 6043; 4/1726 p.163a)

EWENS see also EWEN; EWING; EWINS



Tony. ( Australia )

Hi Heather,
Yes I too found him on Google as a sugar refiner. I've spent all morning looking for sugar factories in Gt Yarmouth from that time.
It is interesting that he was born in Botany Bay and returned to England isnt it? I'm still mulling.
Wow marriage records yes I believe they are correct. That is definately them... Thank you.
Joseph Headley became a family name, as in sons and grandsons were later named Joseph Headley Youen. But more interesting is Martha Seaman. Later Joseph Headley Youen, who was Isaac and Marys Grandson (born 1873) married Daisy Seaman (born 1882). there must be a connection there.
Thank you Heather.
Regards
Debbie

Hi Lew, I think you've got it.
So You are saying that according to these records my G-G-G Grandfather Isaac Youen (Ewing) was born in 1808. His father was also called Isaac and his mother was Elizabeth Eadley (H)eadley. And Elizabeth and Isaac were married in 1806 in New South Wales.
Thank you so much for your help.
You are all very kind
Regards
Debbie

So pleased that marriage was the right one - lovely when you can tie it in through witnesses.

I also think this chap must be the son of a soldier or marine as he would have been there virtually at the right time - I see marines first went out in 1802. That private that Lew found seems very likely.Very interesting isnt it!

Hello Tony
Thank you for that information. I'm not exactly sure what it means though. I wonder if you could clarify for me. Does this say they Private Isaac Ewen returned to England on a boat that left in Sept 1811? Or that he was posted somewhere else on that date?
Thank you again
Debbie

Heather,
I have just realised that their first son was called William Garner Youen. So you most definately were right.
its great to have so much help. Thanks

Debbie

Hi Debra. Sorry, but i cant give you a positive answer if he returned to England in 1811.

If you feel this was your Private Isaac Ewen of the 102 regiment( New South Wales Corps ) then this information below may explain a bit more.

73rd Royal Highlanders The 1st Battalion of the 73rd Regiment landed in Sydney on 1 January 1810 and took over duties from the New South Wales Corps (102nd Regiment). It was thus the first of many British line regiments that garrisoned New South Wales for the next sixty years.

102nd Regiment of Foot
New South Wales Corps ("The Rum Corps")
Active... 1789 to 1810.
Country... United Kingdom
Branch.... Marines
Type Line ...Infantry
Role Light.. Infantry
Size One battalion
Nickname.. Rum Corps, Botany Bay rangers, Rum Puncheon Corps, The Condemned.
Colors... Yellow Facings, White Braided Lace
March Quick: Slow:
Battles/wars Battle of Vinegar Hill (1804), Rum Rebellion (1808)

102nd Regiment.
In 1809, after the Rum Rebellion, the NSW Corps was formed into the 102nd Regiment of Foot and recalled. A few of its officers and long servicing privates were used to bring Macquarie’s 73rd regiment up to near full strength; around 100 veterans and invalids were retained for garrison duty in NSW (though of little real use the unit survived till 1823); some officers were allowed to retire and farm their land; and the bulk of the troops were sent back to England. Colonel Paterson, formerly Captain Paterson, died in South Africa on the way.

In England, most personnel were transferred to Veteran or Garrison battalions with most officers ending up in the 8th Royal Veteran Battalion. The regiment was reconstituted with new recruits and then served in various posts throughout the United Kingdom: Horsham in 1811 and the Channel Islands of Guernsey in 1812. In 1812 the Regiment was posted to Bermuda and then Nova Scotia. In the War of 1812 they took part in seaborne raids along the US Atlantic coast and other actions against the Americans and were involved in the British capture of Maine. Detachments of the 102nd remained on both sides of the border between the British colony of New Brunswick and the US State of Maine after the war's end in December of 1814.

After the wars against Napoleonic France and the United States, the British Army disbanded many units for the sake of economy and the 102nd Regiment was renumbered as the 100th Regiment of Foot in 1816. The 100th were the last British troops to occupy the United States with the last detachments returning to Chatham Barracks in England where the regiment was disbanded on March 24th, 1818.

At a loss with what to do with the disbanded veterans, some of whom remembered NSW fondly, they were offered the chance to reform the NSW Corps as a garrison unit. They arrived in Sydney in July 1826 and were placed under the command of Colonel Dumaresq. In 1829 the Royal New South Wales Veterans Companies, or Veterans Corps, had about 150 men serving at various posts in NSW, Norfolk Island and Tasmania. It was finally disbanded on 1st April 1833.

Throughout its life the regiment acquired a number of nicknames related to its service in New South Wales: Botany Bay Rangers, Rum Puncheon Corps, Condemned Regiment, Rum Corps.


Cheers.Tony

You could check out if Kew have the military records for him.

By the way, that marriage was taken from the parish register through freereg so it will be accurate. Have you tried looking for the witnesses on the census now?