Genealogy Chat

Hi All

I'm sorry, I had to go to bed last night but will have a read through today. Thanks for your opinions and thoughts, they are gratefully appreciated.

I will apply to the local RO for the cert - I think that definately needs to be done because it might be a simple mistranscription.

Off to find some parish records now ...

1891:
Name: Fanny Tweddell
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Edwin
Mother's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Warwick
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 2 Edwards Court

Occupation: nurse maid

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Warwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Tweddell 47 - general labourer
Elizabeth Tweddell 50
Fanny Tweddell 13


Here's a scenario. Edwin Snr (married to Elizabeth) is a general labourer. His brother Henry is a caster's labourer. Both Edwins get jobs as caster's labourers through their relationship with Henry.

Ozi.

1901:
Name: Edwin Treadwell
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwick, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Warwick St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Warwick St Mary
Town: Warwick
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 2 Edwards Court, Market Street

Occupation: General labourer

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Warwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Treadwell 57
Elizabeth Treadwell 61

1881:
Name: Edwin Treadwell
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Warwick St Mary
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 5 Cornalls Court
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Bricklayer Lab

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Warwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Treadwell 37
Elizabeth Treadwell 40
Charles Treadwell 15
Edwin Treadwell 11
Sarah Treadwell 9
Mary Treadwell 6
Fanny Treadwell 3

Marriages Dec 1864
LANDER Joseph Warwick 6d 781
...>>>Perkins Elizabeth Warwick 6d 781
Shelton Sarah Warwick 6d 781
...>>>Treadwell Edwin Warwick 6d 781



IGI Individual Record

EDWIN TREADWELL
Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH PERKINS
Marriage: 12 OCT 1864 Saint Mary, Warwick, Warwick, England
Source Information:
Batch No.: M041531
Dates: 1754 - 1782, 1792 - 1876

Marriages Sep 1866
CLARKE Mary Newcastle T. 10b 185
...>>>FORSTER Margaret Newcastle On Tyne 10b 185
SMITH James Newcastle T. 10b 185
...>>>Treadwell Henry Newcastle T 10b 185


I was thinking along similar lines Sue.

Ozi.

Just had an inspired thought.

What if Edwin jnr is the son of Edwin senior but Edwin snr dies and little Edwin is adopted by his uncle Henry.

That would make him both son to Edwin and Henry.

We need to find burials to see if an Edwin dies after marrying and having a son. Perhaps someone could find parish records to find a marriage and burial for an Edwin plus any children.

All just guess work but might make sense of the facts we've seen.

Sue

IGI Individual Record

EDWIN TREDWELL
Christening: 22 MAR 1844 Saint Mary, Warwick, Warwick, England
Parents:
Father: CHARLES TREDWELL
Mother: CAROLINE
Source Information:
Batch No.: C041531
Dates: 1782 - 1808, 1813 - 1876




IGI Individual Record

HENRY TREADWELL
Christening: 01 JUL 1849 Saint Nicholas, Warwick, Warwick, England
Parents:
Father: CHARLES TREADWELL
Mother: CAROLINE
Source Information:
Batch No.: C041541
Dates: 1813 - 1861

What I like about the 1861 family that Sue found is that the father is Charles which ties in with your S-I-L's info about Edwin Snr.




Ozi.

Births Sep 1886
Treadwell Edwin Albert Aston 6d 285

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Births Dec 1886
Treadwell Edward Thomas C Warwick 6d 587

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Births Jun 1887
Treadwell Edward Lambeth 1d 326

1891

TREADWELL, Henry Head Married M 45 Casters Labourer Leamington
Warwickshire VIEW

TREADWELL, Margaret Wife Married F 44 Gateshead
County Durham VIEW

TREADWELL, John H Son Widower M 23 General Labourer Newcastle On Tyne
Northumberland VIEW

TREADWELL, Sarah E A Daughter Single F 21 Enameller Newcastle On Tyne
Northumberland VIEW

TREADWELL, William E Son Single M 19 Enameller Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

TREADWELL, Florence Daughter F 16 Tin Solderer Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

TREADWELL, Alice M Daughter F 10 Scholar Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

TREADWELL, Frederick Son M 7 Scholar Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

TREADWELL, Edwin A Son M 4 Scholar Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

________________________________________
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2412 Folio:
117 Page:
43

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Deritend EnumerationDistrict:
67 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Basils

Civil Parish:
Bordesley Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
7, Westley Street, Bordesley, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire


1861
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TREADWELL, Charles Head Married M 44 Tailor Warwickshire VIEW

TREADWELL, Caroline Wife Married F 40 Dressmaker Warwickshire VIEW

TREADWELL, Charles Son Unmarried M 19 Gas Fitter Warwickshire VIEW

TREADWELL, Edwin Son M 17 Labourer Warwickshire VIEW

TREADWELL, Henry Son M 11 Scholar Warwickshire VIEW

TREADWELL, Theophilus Son M 11 Scholar Warwickshire VIEW

________________________________________
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2225 Folio:
149 Page:
10

Registration District:
Warwick Sub District:
4 Warwick EnumerationDistrict:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Pauls

Civil Parish:
St Mary Municipal Borough:
Warwick Address:
Theatre Street, St Mary, Warwick County:
Warwickshire



Sue
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Just been looking at 1891.

I think it could be that Henry too.

Odd. I wonder if Henry/Edwin are the same man.

The odd thing is that in 1861 there are brothers Edwin and Henry Treadwell in Warwickshire of the right sort of age.

I wonder if you've uncovered a little family scandal here.

Sue

Only because I think Edwin and Edward are / can be interchangable.

My SIL wrote down all the info she could glean about the family from various sources (non of them attributed and she can't remember which were which now!) but she had Edwin Snr as Edward Charles Treadwell. I can only imagine it was a birth certificate - but she hasn't got it anymore! The fact she had a middle name too made me think it was more than likely right. (They have no idea of any other family middle names!)

Sorry, not much to go on ...

Looking at the 1901 decoder I have I can see an Edwin aged 14 (coal carter) living in Aston, Warwickshire.

There is an older Edwin aged 57 in Warwick St Mary who is a general labourer.

Why were you looking for Edward when they are both Edwin?

There are a few others but in different counties.

Sue

Hi

I did see that one - but how can I know for sure (will I ever?) I was just wondering what the chances of the father's name on the marriage certificate being wrong. The copy I have is from the GRO. Is there anywhere else I could double check the father's name?

Thanks

Hi Sue

Yes, I think that is it! OK, that means my Edwin's & Edward's weren't the same as the ones I found in the census ... now where are they then ...?

Back to the grindstone ...

Thanks for making me read the certificate correctly!

Not having seen it I can't say for sure but that sounds remarkably like Brass caster.
That is an occupation.

You sure that one wasn't in the foundry industry?

Sue

I didn't know that, Jolly Sailor!
That explains why some of mine gave the same address. I could never understand why.
Guess I'm still not too old to learn.
Thanks,
Margaret

Hmmm ... could be Brass Carter, I guess .... Would that be an occupation???

The occupation looks like:

Brars-Caster ... although Annie's dad was listed as a Carter so the second part could be carter I guess.

Edwin Jnr's occupation was given as Barman. Not sure if that helps at all ...