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keep trying, don't give up I have three generations of Thomas Jones although they were in England and Australia good luck

According to a church member, here are the births & christenings for the older Joneses.

1. FRANCIS JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 14 NOV 1826

2. FRANCIS JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 DEC 1826 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales

3. JAMES JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 13 AUG 1834

4. JAMES JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 SEP 1834 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales

5. JOHN JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 12 FEB 1832

6. JOHN JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 FEB 1832 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales

7. MARY ANN JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 06 MAR 1837

8. MARY ANN JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 MAR 1837 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales

1861:
Name: James Jones
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1799
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Susanah
Gender: Male
Where born: Bresilz, Shropshire, England [Bresily on image]

Civil Parish or Township: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Pentrebach
Town: Merthyr Tydfil
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 1 Bell Row

Occupation: brickmaker

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
James Jones 62
Susanah Jones 56
Thomas Jones 18 - engine fitter
Martha Deacy 14 - servant

1841:
Name: Joseph Jones
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Hundred: Caerphilly
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: New Row

Occupation:

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
James Jones 40 - brickmaker
France Jones 14 - brickmaker
Joseph Jones 11
John Jones 9
James Jones 6
Mary Anne Jones 4

All born in county except father.

Can't find Susannah.

1851:
Name: Joseph Jones
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Son
Father's name: James
Mother's name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Merthyr Tydfil
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: Pentrebach

Occupation: brickmaker

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members: Name Age
James Jones 52 - Brosby, Shropshire [probably Broseley]
Susannah Jones 46
Joseph Jones 21 - brickmaker
Mary Ann Jones 14
Jane Jones 11 -scholar
Thomas Jones 7 - scholar
Gwanllian Morgan 9 - visitor
Jane Davies 18 - servant

Looks like Joseph remarried. Bendles are step-children.
1891:
Name: Joseph Jones
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Merthyr Tidvyl

Civil parish: Risca
Town: Risca
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Nicholas Cottage

Occupation:Brickmaker

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: St Woollos
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jones 61
Sarah Jones 52 - Easterton, Wiltshire
Thomas Bendle 23 - coal miner, Risca
Minnie Bendle 19 - at home, Risca
Alice Bendle 13 - at home

1861:
Name: Joseph Jones
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Pentrebach
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 32 Nightingale Street

Occupation: Brick manufacturer

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 131
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jones 31
Ann Jones 28
Hannah Maria Jones 3
Jane Jones 1

All born Merthyr Tydfil

1881:
Name: James Jones
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's name: Joseph
Gender: Male
Where born: Merthyr

Civil parish: Risca
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Nr Brickworks

Occupation: Haulier B Works

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: St Woollos
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jones 51- brickmaker
James Jones 19
David Jones 14 - engine driver
John Jones 13 - labourer
Jane Jones 11 - scholar
Samuel Jones 9 - scholar
Tom Hayes 22 - son-in-law, general labourer, born Risca
Hannah Hayes 22
Minnie Hayes 1 - born Risca

1871:
Name: James Jones
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's name: Joseph
Mother's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Pentrebach
Town: Abercanaid
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 17 Gethin Street

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 245
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jones 41 - brickmaker
Ann Jones 38
Hannah M Jones 13 - teacher
James Jones 9 - scholar
Margret Jones 6 - scholar
David Jones 4 - scholar
John T Jones 3 - scholar
Jane Jones 1

1861:
I think this may be them. Both Margaret & David (That's what is on the image) are from Camerthen.

Name: Margaret James
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: David
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Dowlais
Town: Dowlais
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 40 Sand Street

Occupation:

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Household Members: Name Age
David James 28 - Engineer
Margaret James 30
Anne James 4

1881:
Name: Margaret James
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Llangwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 119 High St
Condition as to marriage: widow

Occupation: Annuitant

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret James 52
Mary Jane James 17 - domestic servant
David Evans 27 - lodger from Camarthe Town, so could be a relative
Taliesin H. Evans 22 - lodger



1871:
Name: Margaret James
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Daniel
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberporth, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil parish: [Merthyr Tydfil and Penydarran]
Ecclesiastical parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Town: Merthyr Tydfil
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 119 Penydarren Rd

Occupation:

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel James 39 - Iron stealer [??] in Iron Works, Camarthen
Margaret James 43
Ann James 14 - scholar
Mary J James 5 - scholar
William Meylor 24 - boarder
Margaret Deice 23 - boarder
David Daniel 22 - boarder

Or this?

1901:
Name: Mary J Jones
[Mary J James]
Age in 1901: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Penydarren, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Penydarren St John
Town: Penydarren
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 119 High Street

Occupation: Stationary engine driver

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret James 72 - Llanguilin, Carmarthenshire
Margaret A James 19 - grandaughter, laundress
James James 38
Mary J Jones 35
Daniel T Jones 14 - labourer in steel works
James Jones 7

Do you have this info?

1891:
Name: James Jones
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Son-in-law
Spouse's name: Mary J
Gender: Male
Where born: Penydarren, Merthyr-Tydfil

Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: St John Penydarran
Town: Penydarren
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 119 High Street

Occupation: Stationery Blast Engineer

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret James 63 - widow, greengrocer, born Camarthen Town
James Jones 29
Mary J Jones 27
Daniel Th Jones 4
James Jones 2
Margaret A James 9 - grandchild
Ruth James 7 - grandchild



All others born Penydarren.

Nudging for Ellie who is looking for Davies in Wales!

Steph

I am doing my husbands tree which is full of Rees', Jones and Davies its a nightmare.Although I know roughly when they were born and which town, when I look on the census etc and various sites there are lots with the same christian name all born around the same time. But I have to say the registrars office in Neath and Swansea are so helpful and have helped enormously in locating the right person. Also the staff at the Glamorgan Record office in Cardiff are great, but thats ok if the people you are looking for are in that area and if you have the time to go there.

Good luck

Liz

Steph,
Are you thinking what to do about ordering the certs in the first place?
I'm in a similar fix with "John Smith", no specific date or place, so do I order dozens of birth certs to find the right one?
Got a nasty feeling I'll have to..........

Petrina

Yes I have a James Jones born in approx 1862 (as per the 1891 census) in Penydarren, Merthyr Tydfil. His profession was a Stationary blast engineer. He married a Mary J James who was either born in 1864 or 1868.

Thanks for all the hints and tips, so far!

Steph

Good luck i have jones in my tree from
merthyr tydfi mid glamorgan south wales try find a william david jones the must be thousands of them so good luck in your research regards claire

Orange, your map idea is good, I do that as there have been places where the welsh english border has moved !

Go for it!
I have them too.
Unusual christian names are useful, my lot are full of Johns and Jacks.
Use a map to get your bearings.
My lot did cross the border looking for work and pop up in the English census too, so take nothing for granted.
Ask for help; the folks on here are wonderful.
Some of my more unusal names are harder to find as they are often misspelled!!
Happy hunting