Genealogy Chat

This one has stopped me.
My Great Grandmother, Susan Smith was born in New York 1865. Her Father was Austin Smith, he was a master mariner from Liverpool (I believe). I have always been told that Susan was born on her Fathers ship. Susans Mother was Elizabeth (don't know a surname) but she was born in Liverpool. I can't find Austin on any census. How do I go about tracing Austin and where can I get details of Susans birth please?
Grateful for any help. Thanks
Irene

You could check 'births at sea' 1854-1887 on findmypast and see if anything comes up (pay per view).

Also the National Archives Site to see if any kind of Seamans record comes up for Austin Smith.

Gail. x

Hi Irene

Unfortunately untill a birth for Susan everything will end up being guess work

Keep this just incase its the right one

Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%)
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Gell Philip Liverpool 8b 161
Mylchreest Eunice Liverpool 8B 161
>>Pepper Elizabeth Liverpool 8B 161
>>Smith Austin Liverpool 8b 161

This is the 1851 for a Elizabeth Pepper and she was born Liverpool

Elizabeth Pepper
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Grandchild
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool

Civil Parish: Birmingham St Martin
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Pepper 5
Jane Pepper 31
Mary Pepper 27
Sarah Pepper 70
Sarah Pepper 35

I've just found this on the IGI

SUSAN SMITH Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 13 JUL 1867

Christening: 13 JAN 1868 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: AUSTIN SMITH Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

Theres this one too

Fanny Smith Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 10 MAR 1871

Christening: 30 JAN 1882 St Peter'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Austin Smith Family
Mother: Elizabeth

Thanks very much both of you, that's really helpful.I Think between you, you have found them (how?), I will certainly take a look at those websites mentioned.
Irene X

Ties in with this census

Susan Smith
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Where born: New York, United States

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire

John H Carter 29 Lodger
Elizabeth Smith 31 Married, Annuitant.
Fanny Smith 1
Lucy A Smith 8
Susan Smith 4

Class: RG10; Piece: 3786; Folio: 55; Page: 21; GSU roll: 84189

Gail. x

Wow thanks Witchypoo, Susan had a daughter Fanny Smith Strickland (my Gran). Perhaps named after her sister Fanny.
Irene X

But just to let you know the IGI was also showing this marriage which i've got off the FreeBMD site

Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
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Ross Sarah Aston 6d 306
>>>Sadler Elizabeth Aston 6d 306
>>>Smith Austin Aston 6d 306
Walker Joseph Erasm* Aston 6d 306

OK Just seen what Gail has added

I would go with the Austin and Elizabeth Sadler marriage

Yes Gail, I have a copy of that census entry I assume Austin was dead by then and that's why Elizabeth was an annuitant

Irene

how sure are you that Elizabeth was born in Liverpool

Because i think Elizabeth Sadler was born in Warwickshire

Now I'm lost, Witchypoo.
Why the Sadler marriage as opposed to the Pepper one? Or am I missing something obvious?
Irene X

the 1871 census states that she was born in Liverpool

I think it says Elizabeth is married not widowed on that 1871 census but not sure.......

Gail. x

1871 (Austins wife)
Elizabeth Smith abt 1840 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head Liverpool Lancashire

Thanks anyway everyone I now have lots to work with.

Irene xx

So Elizabeth remarries and becomes a Parry by 1881, so he must have died before then.

Gail. x

how did you find that out?