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Hello...
I have a birth certificate for a
JOHN AUSTIN 16 JUNE 1865
REGISTION DISTRICT Kensington
SUB-DISTRICT OF Saint Mary Paddington

His parents are listed as a
JOHN HENRY AUSTIN and a MATILDA HULF of 6 Sudbury Mews, Paddington... Matilda has made her mark x...
JOHN HENRY is listed as a Painter as OCCUPATION

Can anyone help me find a marriage for this couple... i have been trying for months and had no luck... without this marriage i cant carry on with the tree...

thanks
Tracey

Where have you tried so far, so we dont duplicate searches. Its a very unusual surname and yet no Matildas are coming up on ancestry. I guess possibly mistranscribed. Where have you seen them together please.

What address does it say he was born at? Is it possible that what appears to be Hulf could be read as another name?

i've been to the family research centre and have had no such luck... really i'm not confident i know what i am looking... i find the other sites mind boogling as i am not computer lit...

Heather thanks for your time, it is appreciated..
Tracey

Kate... it looks like 6 SUDBURY MEWS, PADDINGTON...

Thanks for your time...
Tracey

Dont give up Tracey - I cant find a Matilda Hulf birth either.

Can you look at the certificate again and see what other names it could possibly be please?

Do you know Matilda and Johns years of birth?

Kate... looking again it defo says S--BURY MEWS. PADDINGTON...
Thanks Tracey

Heather...

to me it looks like H U L F.. the last three are defo ULF...

Thanks
Tracey

1881 for reference:

John AUSTIN Head M Male 41 Paddington, Middlesex, England Painter
Matilda AUSTIN Wife M Female 40 Norwich, Norfolk, England
John AUSTIN Son Male 14 Kensington, Middlesex, England Grainers Apprentice
Arthur AUSTIN Son Male 11 Kensington, Middlesex, England Scholar
Eliza AUSTIN Daur Female 9 Kensington, Middlesex, England Scholar
Rosetta AUSTIN Daur Female 6 Kensington, Middlesex, England Scholar
Henry AUSTIN Son Male 4 Kensington, Middlesex, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 104 Southam St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341009
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0040 / 30

Did you know she was a Norfolk girl? On the actual birth cert does it actually say Matilda Hulf or Matilda Austin formerly Hulf?

Together in 1861: with a daughter called Elizabeth born 1860

Name: John Austin
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Matilda
Gender: Male
Where born: Paddington, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Austin 6 Mo
John Austin 24
Matilda Austin 22

Hi again... John's Birth i have a defo...

15/04/1837 at St Mary- St Marlrbone Road
and a Baptism on 23/07/1837...

Tracey

Hello no i didn't know she could be a norfolk girl...
on certificate it says matilda Austin formerly Hulf?

Tracey

Heather how can i view the documents... on one piece of information you have given is states " condition of marriage" whats all that about??

Tracey

The information comes from ancestry - it would be well worth you taking out a sub.

Condition of marriage - on the actual census image will have unmarried, married or widow - not a lot of help to you really as most likely a couple not married will have a married next to her name anyway.

I cannot find a birth or a census record of a Matilda Hulf in Norfolk either. I have noted census mistrans with the name Wulf or Hulp given instead of Hulf but still not having any joy, she must have a different first name somewhere. I was thinking maybe she was married before and has mistakenly used her former married name .....................

When you get a moment, read Tips for Newbies on the tips page - also if we are sure of this unusual name, try a google search for Hulf genealogy.


LOL, thats a turn up, an Ulph married into my Norfolk Horsteads!

Good point Heather - if they never actually married, she could still have called herself Matilda Austin formerly Hulf on the birth certificate. Nobody would know she wasn't married to the father if she didn't say.

I tried Mulf - thought the H could have been misread but nothing came up.

Might be worth getting the birth cert for one of the other children and comparing MMN. This looks like Rosetta's:

Births Jun 1875 (>99%)

AUSTIN Rosetta Kensington 1a 116

Might this be Matilda in 1841?

Matilda Ulph
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Hainford
Hundred: Taverham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: St Faiths
Sub-registration district: Sprowston
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Ulph 7
Emil Ulph 10
Mary Ulph 15
Matilda Ulph 4
Robert Ulph 40 shepherd
William Ulph 12


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 783; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Hainford; County: Norfolk; Enumeration District: 5; Folio: 7; Page: 10; Line: 24; GSU roll: 438866.


Andy

Sorry, had to dash, family arrived. How we doing?

Oh, yes, Ulph could be a good one. St Faiths is near enough to Norwich

Did you look at the image?

1841:

Name: Matilda Ulph
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Hainford
Hundred: Taverham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: St Faiths
Sub-registration district: Sprowston
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Ulph 7
Emil Ulph 10
Mary Ulph 15
Matilda Ulph 4
Robert Ulph 40
William Ulph 12

If you are looking for the Ulph family - freereg is brilliant:

http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl