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I have John Aylward and Hannah Cracknell married April 1884, Newington/Bermondsey Surrey, both listed as minors on their marriage certificate (ie between 14-21 so born between 1863 and 1870) and John’s father John listed occupation as a Carman.
I am trying to trace back John’s family to his father through the census (I’m looking to find the next generation back)and the only John Aylward I can come up with that is a Carman is in the 1861 census after that he disappears and his wife is shown as a widow from 1871 onwards. John Aylward junior is nowhere to be found in 1881 just prior to his marriage although I can find him with his wife and children in 1891 and 1901
My questions are
If I AM on to the right family it makes John Aylward (the groom) 25 so why was he noted as a minor?
If any one has the time can they give this a fresh pair of eyes and help me find John junior in 1881?
Cheers!
Caz
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Hi Caz on the later census where does it say john junior was born and in what year?
Brenda

Hi Brenda
That's the conundrum. In 1891 he’s listed as born abt 1866 Bermondsey but if I follow the trail back in 1861 he’s born abt 1858 (8 years difference)
Am I definitely on the wrong trail even though his father’s occupation is correct?
Caz

I wonder if this is John Sr, but it does say Bricklayer

1881

John Aylwand
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 60 St James Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Bricklayer

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 28a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Aylwand 60
John Aylwand 63
Ann Gardener 21
Fanny Gardener 18
Francis Gardener 61
James Gardener 62
John S. Gardener 10
Briggit White 21

Caz

On the 1891 it says born John was born in Newington

What about this one 1871, and their fathers occ could change a lot back then remember

Name: John M Aylward
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's name: John M
Mother's name: Susan A
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
John M Aylward 24
John M Aylward 3
Sarah E Aylward 9 months
Susan A Aylward 26
Susan E Aylward 5
John Harrison 20
David Pettes 15

Fathers ,Occ Store keepers assistant, maybe he changed jobs to deliveries

Sorry
thanks for the correction Julie

Hi Caz the LDS has a john Maurice Aylward on the 1881 census born 1859 living bermondsey Surrey? could this be him? wifes name adele.
Brenda

Any clues from the Witness names on the MC.

Births Mar 1868 (>99%)
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Aylward John Morris Bermondsey 1d 52



June x

Found them, John the dad is a Carman

1861

John Aylward
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Billingshurst, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 260
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur H Aylward 8 Mo
Eliza Aylward 32
Ernest Aylward 5
John Aylward 31
John M Aylward 3
Thomas J Aylward 6
_____________________________
1871

Eliza Aylward
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Norwood, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 218
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Aylward 9
Eliza Aylward 42
Ernest Aylward 15
John Aylward 12
Maurice Aylward 3
Phoebe Aylward 5
Thomas Aylward 16

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Deaths Mar 1868 (>99%)
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Aylward John 38 Bermondsey 1d 81

Brenda
Only if he married adele prior to Hannah in 1884. Def Hannah on the cert.

1871
Name: John J Alyward
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Julia A
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: St George The Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 267
Household Members: Name Age
Alfd W Alyward 2
John Alyward 29 Carman
John J Alyward 5
Julia A Alyward 27
Julia A Alyward 3
Mary A Lankford 56 Mother to Julia
Phoebe A Lankford 26 Sister to julia





Births Jun 1866 (>99%)
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AYLWARD John J St. Saviour 1d 16
The district St. Saviour is an alternative name for St Saviour Southwark and it spans the boundaries of the counties of London and Surrey




June x

Carrie
Witnesses James Hillman and Julia Aylward

thanks June a lead to follow up
Bless you

Caz

Is the info i put on wrong

Hi Julie
that's the family i found in 1861
But i still have a prob with the 8 year gap in John juniors age.

Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
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Aylward John Newington 1d 237

Lankford Julia Newington 1d 237



June x

Caz

Id go with the one June found heres Johns Birth,St. Saviour covers Newington

Births Jun 1866 (>99%)
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AYLWARD John J St. Saviour 1d 16

Don't expect them to be spot on with their ages, they didn't need to know them, exactly spot on as as we do now

His birth

Births Jun 1866 (>99%)
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AYLWARD John J St. Saviour 1d 16

It's the correct area