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You mentioned Scranton in 1929.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Leah Musgrave
Arrival Date: 10 Apr 1929
Estimated birth year: 1884
Age: 45
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Hamilton, Bermuda
Ship Name: Bermuda
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Pennsylvania
Line: 15
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4467
Birth Location: Pennsylvania
Birth Location Other: Scranton
Page Number: 251
Her age is off (not that unusual) but it lists her as born in Scranton. Names directly above her were Edmund Jermyn and his family - all born in Scranton. Wonder if there were two Leah's in Scranton, if she claimed she was born in Scranton, or if someone made a mistake on the manifest.
Do not see a Leah Musgrave in Scranton in 1930 - so maybe the above is your Leah.
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Still don't see Billie, but haven't done a thorough search. Do you have the informant's name for Leah?
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Hi Lisa Thanks
Yes from what we have learnt Charles was on a trip back to UK about 1930 thinking maybe John and Leah with him. None of them seem to show up in 1930 There were a few of them went to USA all together and only one of the families shows up in 1930 so think they all came home for a visit.
I do have Charles and his wife going back think it was about 1932 off hand.
Yes that is the Leah I found in 1929 it looked to me as though she could have been a governess or something for the Jermyn family which would tallly with her going on to be matron of the childrens home. Also the family she worked for was the son of the Mayor of Scranton a very wealthy family so that would make good ref for her when she got to Florida.
It did say born in Scranton and her age wrong but as we go along with this family they weren't worried about the odd lie or two and on checking the 1930 no other Leah Musgrave shows up does she so I really think it is her.
Yes I at first thought Billie female but as you say have seen males use it to.
The informant on Leahs death was Jos ( take it as Joseph) W Womack. address 660 or 680 W Flagler St. Miami.
Thanks for taking the time to look Lisa.
Germaine
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Oh just noticed Charles P Leadbetter married in Detroit in 1928. I don't know if they just went there to marr or if they ever lived there.
Germaine
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This doesn't help with their deaths, but in case you want to add to your existing information (you may already have it):
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Joseph W Womack
Home in 1930: Miami, Dade, Florida
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Virginia
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Grace
Race: White
Occupation: Salesman; Bread Route
Rent/home value: Rent
Age at first marriage: 25 (Grace: 21)
Parents' birthplace: Virginia
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph W Womack 35
Grace Womack 30, Virginia
Lewis Womack 8, West Virginia
Mildred Womack 3 1/12, Florida
Richard Womack 1 2/12, Florida
Grace's mother was born in Virginia; her father was born in South Africa.
Enumerated April 9, 1930
Their address might be N.W. 26th St
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Ah thanks Lisa .
Wonder if the South African thing made them friends as John Musgrave was there in the early 1900's gave them something in common making them friends.
Will keep this in the records.
Will have to look at all the address I have see how far apart they must have lived to each other.
Thanks again
Germaine
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I tried a MapQuest search - Flagler is about 4 miles from N.W. 26th Street.
The reason I mentioned the Womack's is because of the South Africa birth.
I couldn't find the Womack's in prior census but Joseph's birth is supposedly Virginia in 1895. Maybe John met Joseph's father before his trip to South Africa?
PS Meant to say Grace's father!
1910 census: cannot find any Grace's born c1900 with a father born in South Africa.
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Hi Lisa yes that is what I wondered when I saw the South African birth.
I had a quick look on google map I think i did it right although it was called the Flagler childrens home it was in Miami itself think it was sw 14th street ( put the records away now) but I think it was only just over a mile away from where the Womacks lived though further away from where Leah lived when she died that was SW 41st street. Carol Way village.
i bet that he delivered bread and with the South African connection they became friends.
John lived in think it was sw 7th ave. I know they all seemed quite close excpet for where Leah died so thikn they may all ahve ben friends at one time and she staye din touch with the Womacks. MAkes sense.
Thanks again for all the help.
Germaine
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