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I have found Adam Fagan brn 1837 leivry Ireland, with his wife Jane and four children in 1881 census.

Unfortunately i am not a member of ancestry myself so although i know adam was living in Kingston aged 55 in 1891 census cannot see if his wife and anymore children are with him.

wondered if any kind soul could do a look up for him in 1891 and/or 1901 to see if they had anymore children and any address as i am not far from kingston and would like to go and see where they lived and if it's still standing.

Thanks. Leanne.

1891 census

Name: Adam Fagan
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Kingston
Ecclesiastical parish: Evan St John
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Adam Fagan 55
Albert Fagan 15
Charlie Fagan 1
James Fagan 18
Jane Fagan 42
Jane Fagan 4
John Fagan 15
Class: RG12; Piece: 610; Folio 18; Page 30; GSU roll: 6095720.

Living at Mill Place Kingston

1891 census

Name: Adam Fagan
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland


1901


Name: Adam Fagan
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Newry, Ireland

Civil Parish: Kingston On Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston on Thames St John the Evangelist
Town: Kingston On Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Adam Fagan 63
Charles W Fagan 11
Jane Fagan 52
Jane A Fagan 15
John A Fagan 25
Joseph Shrosbra 18


Living at 50 Avenue Rd

This is him in 1901 at 50 Avenue Road

Adam Fagan
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Newry, Ireland






Civil Parish: Kingston On Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston on Thames St John the Evangelist
Town: Kingston On Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
Adam Fagan 63
Charles W Fagan 11
Jane Fagan 52
Jane A Fagan 15
John A Fagan 25
Joseph Shrosbra 18

There is a death 1903 for Adam Fagan born 1837:_

Adam Fagan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 66
District: Kingston
County: Middlesex, Surrey
Volume: 2a Page: 198


Jennifer

1901
Name: Adam Fagan
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Newry, Ireland

Civil Parish: Kingston On Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston on Thames St John the Evangelist
Town: Kingston On Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address: 50 Avenue Road

Occupation:Gardener

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
Adam Fagan 63
Charles W Fagan 11
Jane Fagan 52
Jane A Fagan 15
John A Fagan 25
Joseph Shrosbra 18





Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 662; Folio: 145; Page: 10.
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Shirley

thanks Marlene that's a great help. although it doesn't quite tally with my records. according to 1881 census adam Fagan is living with his wife Jane, children James brn 1873, john 1876, william 1878 and albert 1880. so in theory james and john are correct but albert should be 11 and william is missing. thanks for the look up. now i have another thing to fathom out. lol
thanks leanne.

Looked at bmd found a death for a William A T Fagan aged 9 Quarter 1 1887 Kingston vol 2a page 213 is this a possiblity

Thank-you. do you think maybe William died between 1881 and 1891 which is why he is not there or could he be visiting someone? anyone have any ideas why albert and john are the same age in 1891 but albert should only be 11? thanks to all of you for your help! hopefully 50 avenue road is still there!

yes marlene that looks like it could be him. thank-you for your help!

I bet someone beats me to this.

1891 census Rg12-610 folio 18, Victoria Cottages Mill Place (maybe no 7), Norbiton Ward Kingston
Adam FAGAN Head M 55 Coachman, Groom, Dom Serv Ireland
Jane do Wife M 42 DEV Dawlish
James do Son S 18 Upholsterer (Cabt) Apprentice DEV Exeter
John do Son 15? Bill Poster DEV Devonport
Albert do Son 10 Scholar DEV Alphington
Jane do Daur 4 SRY Kingston
Charlie do Son 1 SRY do

1901 census Rg13-662 folio 145, 50 Avenue Rd, Kingston on Thames
Adam FAGAN Head M 63 Gardener Own Acct Ireland Newry
Jane do Wife M 52 DEV Dawlish
John A. do Son S 25 Bricklayer Own Acct DEV Devonport
Jane A. do Daur S 15 SRY Kingston
Charles W. do Son 11 SRY do
Joseph THROSBRA? Visitor S 18 Plasterer Own Acct MDX Horton

The only way to check if the death is the right William would be to buythe certificate, but as the age is about right it seems most likely to be him.

Have found the birth of a William A T Fagan

Births Sep 1877

Fagan William Arter T St. Thomas 5b 72


St Thomas is a reg district in Devon and I believe he was born in Devon so this would make it the same William

Marlene- thanks i will order the cert. will it give the cause of death on the cert?

Bryan- does own acct mean they are responsible for themselves, as in living separately? James who is 18 in 1891 is my ancestor, he is an aprectice Upholsterer. he married in 1900 and is with his wife and son Fred in 1901 in Pirbright. what does (cabt) mean next to his entry, and SRY mean next to the younger jane and charlie? does it give any other relationship between Joseph Shrobsbra than visitor, as in is he related or perhaps just a friend?

thank you both so much.

Here is Albert in 1901

1901 census RG13-1057, 99 College Street, Southampton
BAROR Family
Albert FAGAN Boarder S 19 Plasterer (said born in Southampton but probably just too lazy to do anything other than do do)

Yes it will give cause of death

Leanne
Own Acct means they did not work for an Employer. Otherwise they would have been marked as "worker". If they employed other people they would be marked "Employer".
I think the "cabt" which looked to be added later may mean he upholstered Cabinets - as distinct from coffins maybe?
SRY is the Chapman code for the county of Surrey in the same way as DEV is for Devon, MDX is for Middlesex.
The Joseph THROB??? is just marked as a visitor. They occur quite a lot in the census records. Often they are family but without a clear relationship. I also have a pet theory that sometimes they were actually lodgers or boarders but not mentioned as such because maybe then the landlord would demand more rent or perhaps the tenancy did not allow lodgers to be taken in.

Bryan

thanks Bryan. was wondering where he'd got to. glad to hear he was still alive. unlike poor william.

how would i find out who adam was working for in 1891? if he is in domestic service, is there any way of finding out who for?

yes your theory about them actually being lodgers, sounds very plausable, just as people try to dodge tax etc now. sounds abt right. thanks. :)

The 1891 census shows Adam as a coachman/groom domestic servant - not sure how you would find out who he was working for

Here is the visitor in 1891. If he is related then it might be found out by checking what his mothers maiden name was.

1891 census RG12-251 folio 73, 14 Tyson Street, Shoreditch, London
Emma SHROSBREE Head Wid 40 Charring London St Leonards
Charles do Son 14 Errand Boy London Islington
Joseph do Son 8 London Shoreditch
Louise do Daur 3 London do

Bryan

thank you both. i am going to collect the certs i already have concerning them all. i will be back soon. it might give me more information. thanks again.