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Im trying to trace the marriage between Charles and Julia. Julia maiden name was Cheesman. Have seen them on 1861,71,81,91,01 Have looked through indexes but cant find it at all! Hope u can help please Thanks Charles Sales Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Julia Gender: Male Where born: Edenbridge, Kent, England Civil Parish: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Bermondsey Sub-registration district: St James ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Charles Sales 38 Joseph Sales 5 Julia Sales 29

1851 England Census about Charles Sales Name: Charles Sales Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Edenbridge, Kent, England Civil Parish: Limpsfield County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Godstone Sub-registration district: Godstone ED, institution, or vessel: 8b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 69 Household Members: Name Age Kitty Brown 14 Jessee Cook 16 Charles Sales 28 Mary Ann Searle 51 Richard Searle 59 1861 England Census about Charles Sales Name: Charles Sales Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Julia Gender: Male Where born: Edenbridge, Kent, England Civil Parish: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Bermondsey Sub-registration district: St James ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Charles Sales 38 Joseph Sales 5 Julia Sales 29 1871 England Census about Charles Sales Name: Charles Sales Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Julia Gender: Male Where born: Edenbridge, Kent, England Civil Parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 284 Household Members: Name Age Charles Sales 48 Elizabeth Sales 1 Harry Sales 4 Jane Sales 7 Joseph Sales 12 Julia Sales 46 for ref

1851 possibly her Name: Julia Cheeseman Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Inmate Gender: Female Where born: Warlingham, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Bletchingley County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Godstone Sub-registration district: Godstone ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 180 so hopefully the marriage should be early 1850's thats if they got married

Ok thanks for looking Clarex

brummie do u know the maiden name

Hi Its supposed to be Cheesman but am unsure. But deffo sure on Charles Sales Thanks Clare

physically looked through 1951-55 but no charles sales married to julia cheesman

Ok thanks for trying, I have done the same but still nothing Thanks again Clare

maybe they didn't marry????????????

This looks like the eldest son's birth record: Births Dec 1858 Sales Joseph Bermondsey 1d 67 His birth certificate might help. Suzy

She may have been married before: Marriages Jun 1853 Braybon William Ticehurst 2b 106 Cheesman Julia Maria Ticehurst 2b 106 Hawes Odear Ticehurst 2b 106 Ticehurst is in the very near vicinity. I can't however find a subsequent marriage for Julia to Charles. Suzy

I think this is Julia in 1841: Name: Julia Cheeseman Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Gender: Female Where born: Surrey, England Civil Parish: Oxted Hundred: Tandridge (First Division) County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: Occupation: View Image Registration district: Godstone Sub-registration district: Godstone Henry Cheeseman 4 James Cheeseman 18 Jane Cheeseman 10 John Cheeseman 43 Joseph Cheeseman 1 Julia Cheeseman 7 June Cheeseman 43 Thos Cheeseman 23 Suzy

Found this on LDS site: JULIA ANN CHEESEMAN Birth: Christening: 11 OCT 1835 Oxted, Surrey, England Parents: Father: JOHN CHEESEMAN Mother: JANE And a few brothers and sisters: 1. GEORGE CHEESEMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 19 AUG 1827 Oxted, Surrey, England 2. HENRY CHEESEMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 JUL 1837 Oxted, Surrey, England 3. JULIA ANN CHEESEMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 11 OCT 1835 Oxted, Surrey, England 4. JAMES CHEESEMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 23 MAR 1823 Oxted, Surrey, England 5. JANE CHEESEMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 08 AUG 1830 Oxted, Surrey, England Suzy

Youngest brother Henry was born after registration began, so his birth certificate will give you more info on Mum and Dad: Birth Sept 1837 CHEESEMAN Henry Hollingbourne 5 175 Suzy

This is probably her death record, and the certificate may have further information: Deaths Mar 1910 Sales Julia 77 Greenwich 1d 515 Off to bed now. Insomnia is a wonderful thing!! Suzy

Hi Suzy Sorry for the long delay didnt see all messages til now. Marriages Jun 1853 Braybon William Ticehurst 2b 106 Cheesman Julia Maria Ticehurst 2b 106 Hawes Odear Ticehurst 2b 106 I did see this marriage records before but i thought nah not that one but looks like she might have been married once and possbily never married with Charles Sales. Will keep looking Thanks for your messages Clare

Is it possible that Charles is 'Odear Hawes'? I've had a look at the scanned image, and this has been placed in the H's, and is correctly transcribed by Free BMD. However, the image is itself of a transcription from the initial registering of the marriage. If the verger etc had appalling handwriting, it is just possible to go from Charles to Odear and from Sales to Hawes. Is there any chance of getting a look at the Ticehurst church/chapel register itself?

Apologies, Ticehurst is the district, and not necessarily the town where the marriage took place. Perhaps order the certificate for Julia, find out which church etc and then find the original entry?

Looking hopeful - Free BMD have updated the 2b 106 reference and added Rebecca Saker (from the 1851 and 1861 census it seems that Rebecca Laker living in Frant in 1851 might well have married William Braybon and moved to Tunbridge Wells by 1861). So Julia's marriage is more likely to be to Odear and not to William Braybon.

Julia Hawes in 1861 with her husband Oscar Julia M Hawes Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Oscar Gender: Female Where born: Lamberhurst, Kent, England Civil Parish: Frant County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Ticehurst Sub-registration district: Frant ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 57 Household Members: Name Age Alonso A Hawes 6 Julia M Hawes 37 Maria A Hawes 10 Mo Oscar Hawes 47 Oscar Hawes 11 Parcivel Hawes 3 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 573; Folio: 80; Page: 13; GSU roll: 542664.