Genealogy Chat

Please can anyone help. I am trying to find the marriage of William Welling and Eliza Field. The first child I have found for them is in 1853. I dont know where William was born but Eliza I believe to be born in St Albans, Herts. The first child I have for them Martha was born in Deptford. Williams occupation was listed as a Hawker. Be grateful for any help Thanks Chris

There's no Martha Welling on any census with those details and there's no birth on FreeBMD. Where did you get this from? Rose

Is this the family in Greenwich workhouse in 1861? 1861 England Census about Martha Wellen Name: Martha Wellen Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Gender: Female Where born: Deptford, Kent, England Civil Parish: Greenwich Town: Greenwich County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Greenwich East ED, institution, or vessel: Greenwich Union Workhouse Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Wellen 32 Watford, Essex, England Martha Wellen 8 Stephen Wellen 4 Mo Rose

Stephen's birth: Births Jun 1860 Wellin Stephen Greenwich 1d 581 Rose

Hi Rose Yes you have them there. I got the info from Stephens birth cert. Eliza Welling formerly Field & William Welling Chris

I have only found the family on the 1891 & 1901 census I have not been able to find them on any others Chris

1881 census .......... Stephen about Stephen Welling Name: Stephen Welling Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Annie Gender: Male Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Hales Street Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View Image Occupation: Hawker Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Abigale D. Ruthbilling 26 (living in same house, no apparent connec ion) Annie Welling 23 b. ca 1858, Surrey, Hawker Eliza Welling 2 mos b.ca 1891, Deptford, Kent Stephen Welling 21 Hawker

1881: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Stephen WELLING Head M Male 21 Greenwich, Kent, England Hawker Annie WELLING Wife M Female 23 Born, Surrey, England Hawker Eliza WELLING Dau Female 8 m Deptford, Kent, England Abigale D. RUTHBILLING Other U Female 26 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Needlewoman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Hales Street Census Place Deptford St Paul, Kent, England Family History Library Film 1341164 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0701 / 75 Page Number 11 Rose

Where are they in 1891 and 1901? Rose

Is this Stephen in 1901??? about Stephen Welling Name: Stephen Welling Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rose Gender: Male Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul Ecclesiastical parish: St John Deptford County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Deptford, South ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 385 Household Members: Name Age Albert Baker 19 Bridget Dunn 6 David Dunn 8 Dennis Dunn 3 Rose Welling 30 Stephen Welling 36 Stephen Welling 14 Susan Whitewood 43

Other information:- Albert Baker 19 brother-in-law, Hawker Bridget Dunn 6 niece David Dunn 8 nephew Dennis Dunn 3 nephew Rose Welling 30 b. ca 1871, Brighton, Sussex Stephen Welling 36 Hawker Stephen Welling 14 b. ca 1887, Deptford Susan Whitewood 43 Boarder Address:- 4 Knotts Terr, Deptford South Sylvia

Stephen's marriage No 1 Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Appell John George Greenwich 1d 1218 SELBY John Greenwich 1d 1218 TAYLOR Ann Greenwich 1d 1218 TEMPLETON Annie Greenwich 1d 1218 Welling Stephen Greenwich 1d 1218 - - - Can't find a marriage to a Rose before 1901 BUT there is this one in 1905:- Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ROPER George Francis Greenwich 1d 1811 Smith Charlotte Greenwich 1d 1811 TAYLOR Agnes Isabel Greenwich 1d 1811 WELLING Stephen Greenwich 1d 1811 Are they all the same Stephen?????? Sylvia

Thank you Sylvia & Rose I found the family in Deptford but Ann died in 1884 and Stephen remarried to a lady called Rose. Eliza had moved out and married herself in 1898. Chris

Considering how quick he married after Ann died I would'nt be surprised if he was at it again. lol Chris

I wonder if William and Eliza really did marry??? He seems to have disappeared off the radar ......... could he have died prior to 1861, hence Eliza and children being in the Workhouse?

Yes you could be right - or he could have walked out on them but he is not listed anywhere else. So chances are he could have died by then. Maybe they never married - you could be right about that too. Thanks Chris

There is a possible other son for William named Daniel b1858 if he is their son then he does not show up on the 1861 but does appear later in life when he is married. Have got to pop out to pick daughter up from club will check back in when I get back.

There is this death ...... although it happens after the census was taken so if it is him, he should have shown up. Maybe he was in the hospital part of the workhouse???? Deaths Jun 1861 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Welling William Dartford 2a 154 May be it is worth getting the certificate and finding out if it is him an dwho registered the death????????????

Nearly dinnertime for me!! I'll look back after we've eaten.

I will definately send off for his death cert. Thanks for that. Well, your just having your dinner but its now nearly 3am here so I am off to bed will pop back in in the morning Thanks again for all your help Chris