Genealogy Chat

thanks christine been there too dun that both adas survived,well into 1950s so nope that not reason i got 2 of them lol,did think maybe another marridge but cant find sams first let alone second,although we did have a good go at it,any more ideas im willing to try

Just a thought Kim If any of the early Adas didn't survive, and Ada was the Mum's name, they may well have persisted in giving it until it "stuck". for example... In my family tree there's an Elizabeth TAYLOR, (oh yes there is! - and her father is Robert) who appears as born ca Feb 1851, in the 1851 census, but in all later censuses she's b c 1856-7. As her husband was about another 6 years younger, I don't think that the first time the name appears is the same person. The mum's first name was Elizabeth - I reckon my ancestor was a later child after a tragically early death. It doesn't make it less confusing, of course! cheers Christine

hiya sarah thanks for that,am going to look now, sorry wasnt here before to answer you,family history says all kids were named after there aunts and uncles,not sure what sams wifes name was but we believ maud to be the eldest born in 1901,dont know if there was any born before her ut if there was and this ada was one then it makes it we have 3 adas in one family ,somehow this dont sound right 2 is hard to believ but 3???,oh well you never know with my lot but im game to try any leads,thanks again,and am seriously thinking of tryin to make time to get to islington to see if i can find any records,

Hello again On the Church records theme. .. Most churches pass on their records for safekeeping to county archives - they don't have the resources to care for them as archivists do. You're most likely to find them at a County Records/Archives centre - often attached to a library. There's a major advantage to this. It may be architecturally interesting to visit lots of churches, but it's a lot faster if all the records are in one place! Also you may find that there are microfilm/fiche copies of parish registers from (at least) the area. cheers Christine

Hi, On the 1901 Census living in St Pancras I found: Sam Belton 58 Banbury,Oxford HEAD St Pancras,London Matilda C Belton 39 Marylebone WIFE St Pancras,London Catharine Belton 16 Marylebone DAU St Pancras, London Ada Belton 12 St Pancras DAU St Pancras, London I think it says his job is a Smith, though it is quite hard to read. Also very hard to read the street name, though it does begin with a C. You have a Matilda and an Ada in your list of children, maybe they were named after family members? Haven't found a John yet though I'll keep looking, hope this helps Sarah :D

ok few more clues here we know he had the following kids violet may belton 1920 maud belton 1901 anne belton 1907 known as kitty katy belton 1909 matilda belton 1909 these were twins and this one was known as tilly but registered ada matilda, yes so it makes 2 adas lol edward belton1912 ada belton 1913 daisy belton 1914 lillian belton 1923 alice belton 1924. these dates are approx, each time a child has been registered we have followed the addy and they not there, we know florence married john 27.5.1901,she gave her age as a year older hers said 18 years old, his said 19yrs old, she was 17 at time of marridge so we have allowed for dates wrong here,this was in registry office of st.pancras,his father was sam belton mechanical engineer,living at 12 compton place,john was down as coach smith labourer,witnesses were annie hook whomwe assume was her mother as her father dead, and robert fitzgerald whom we dont know other than shan found him as a neighbour on one of the family addies if you can get any more clues from this or know where else we can look please tell us , all registerd in st pancras islington finsbury camden all them sort of areas

hi lynn i think he was born in islington as we cant find him on no census i dont know what cemetry to start in,i know we have connections with st,pancras islington, finchley,camden and few more,as i havent mother or father name i dont know how i could ? any ideas, i know his name isnt on any of the kids stones that i can remeber, glad to know im not the only person to be an alien here lmao

Hi, Lynne here .Thought i was an alien too until the other day! Have you tried his local cemeteries. They can be very helpful if you know an approx.year/s. You may get someone who enjoys looking up these things!!!! ha ha Good luck

hiya esta not to worry i wouldnt larf we have all been here i was sure i found him last week .... but nope wrong one again, thanks for tryin and i know he will have you going everywhere as i have added years taken years off, married him twice,or more given him more kids, i have done so many things now with this man, nothing hasnt been tried i think lmao

Hi Kim I only asked as I thought I'd found him BUT then I realised my mistake I'd gone back 10 years not forward ! So all I've managed to do is add 20 years on to his age. I'll give you the details I found - just incase !! Please don't laugh, I did try but I've had a hard day at work !! Ellen Belton 2 Godstone, Surrey, England Daughter Godstone Surrey Emma Belton 11 Fletebing, Sussex, England Daughter Godstone Surrey John D Belton 9 Godstone, Surrey, England Son Godstone Surrey Lucy Belton 33 Horne, Surrey, England Wife Godstone Surrey Samuel Belton 35 Horne, Surrey, England Head Godstone Surrey Louisa Redford 24 Hartlebury, Sussex, England Visitor Godstone Surrey Esta :)

hi all and i see your at it again shan lol, right did try follow sam lead, and yes did go with matilda being his mum tried to fit my john in as thomas hoping that he was known by another name but doesnt work as we know age of birth wrong,and think we found thomas death,so think i have to try another sam now,i got john birth from marrdige cert, have allowed for ages being wrong any info we have is off this certificate,i,e fathers name and address,heres a challenge for you if any one thinks this would be quite easy to find my john belton please join on as others have found it not that easy,has even sent some bit mad her ei think hasnt it shan lmao,

My line of thinking is John was the son of Matilda, born Before Thomas, so possibley before 1881, as Thomas was the eldest son in 1891 born to Matilda we dont know how long Sam snr had been a widow Matilda was a servant so maybe she went out of town and John was with relie's in 81 Shan

Hi all in 1881,Samuel is widowed with Sam junior have a Matilda Mccabe Servent living with them she goes on to marry Sam Snr, any help, Shan

Samuel should be easier to find than John. There are 22 named Sam* Belton/Bilton living in England in 1881, old enough to be John's father. None of them have a young son John, which suggests that you are right to think that he is born just after the 1881 census. Not all of the older Sams are likely to have another child, so this narrows it down to very few parishes/1891 census entries to check. The younger unmarried Sams (15-25) may have married shortly after (is it fair to assume that if John was illegitimate, he would have taken his mother's name?). You can try looking for a marriage in 1881/82 of Sam Belton. Perhaps take each in turn and ask for a separate look-up?

Hi Kim, Pity you cant put all the certs and census online lol ME

HI Kim if you don't mind me asking - what makes you think that John Belton was born 1881/1882 ? Esta :)

thanks christine i have some baptism certs here too and there is nothing difrent on them,but thats an idea was wondering if i actualy went to the church would they have anything that i dont have,or havent seen,

Hi Is there any chance the church register records might have something that isn't on the GRO certs? If you know where the children were born, you might be able to trace the local church and get a sight of the (copy) baptism record). Christine

hiya pat going to have look now, although wrong fathers name, he may have been known by name of john tho,nooo thinking bout it it cant be right my john belton was married to florence hook in 1901,islington,so ther for if this is man im looking for wifes name is wrong, see i was game ther elol thanks for that tho any more ideas i could do with following?? im game another few more years here wont hurt lol have just read you again and am goin to look any way it might lead somewhere i cant rule nothing out here

Kim Did you say you had been through the census, I have now looked through the 1871 and there is a John 1 year old born Islington father is John 29 b. Nottinghamshire and mother is Mary 28 born Leeds living in Islington? Do you think this could be him? Pat x