Genealogy Chat

what do you reckon to this one then (bear with me, I'll add a reply with the details)

OK, I have a relly called Matilda King. She was born in Old Bradwell, Bucks, approximately 1862 (she was 9 on the 1871 census). I've found a marriage for her, in 1878 (16 !). On the same page are two mens names - Richard James Knock and William Webb. Searching the 1881 on Ancestry, I find a Matilda Knock (age doesnt quite match - she's listed as 24, but I'm assuming it's her), born Old Bradwell (living in Bethnal Green). Husbands name, however, is CHARLES Knock ! ????

Have you checked out Richerd to see if he had any brothers or to see if his name changed for any reson.

Paul Have you checked for any Matilda WEBB's of the right age? Lou

Checking for a brother is a good idea. Not sure how Id find out if his name changed though ? I guess he could have been just using an assumed name of Charles - its not that uncommon is it. I'll check for the brother first, thanks for the suggestion

yeah I check the Matilda Webbs, noone that looked right

Paul Is this them in 1881 Alfred Knock abt 1879 Old Bradwell, Buckinghamshire, England Son Bethnal Green Charles Knock abt 1851 London City Of, Middlesex, England Head Bethnal Green Matilda Knock abt 1857 Old Bradwell, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Bethnal Green Richard Knock abt 1880 Old Bradwell, Buckinghamshire, England Son Bethnal Green They live at 25 Duke Street, Bethnal Green Lou

Yes thats them Lou I've looked in the 1871. I find a Richard J, aged 26 (in 1881 he's 30 !). No Charles in the household though. Did anotehr search on Charles and found the following, none of which look correct; Charles Knock 43 Middlesex, England Head St Andrew Devon Charles Knock 7 Devon, England Son St Andrew Devon Charles Knock 11 Essex, England Son West Ham Essex Charles Knock 8 Essex, England Son West Ham Essex Charles Knock 8 Middlesex, England Son St James Clerkenwell London Charles Knock 31 Suffolk, England Head Hundon Suffolk Charles A Knock 4 Suffolk, England Son Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Charles S Knock 27 Buckinghamshire, England Head New Windsor Berkshire

This is weird..... Lou

Yep. No sign of Richard J after the 1871 census. No sign of Matilda after 1881. No death record on Ancestry though. hmmm

Well I have now checked every Matilda born Bucks on the 1881 census and her with Charles is the only one that comes close. It HAS to be her but why the name change???? lou

Its thous Bloody Alians again

I think I agree with Peter! Paul, got to shoot up to the hospital now but will check your thread when I get back and if you've still not uncovered her, I'll see if I can help at all Lou

Pual whats wrong with Rhicherd S (last on your list) both born in same county Could of moved after wed??? and a bad scribed J could be an S

C S (J) weds matilda in bucks moves to Winsor then to Bethnal or have I miss read some thing?

OK. When they married (in 1878) the marriage was between Matilda and Richard J. in 1881 the husbands name is Charles. His place of birth is listed as City of London, hers Old Bradwell. The Charles S is wrong on two counts - place of birth, and ages is even more out (27 in 1871, he would therefore be 37 in 1881, whereas "my" Charles is 30 in 1881). As to Old Bradwell... Yes ! It's now part of Milton Keynes - about 3 miles from my house.

I guess the answer is going to lie in the marriage certificate. I may find that one of the witnesses is Charles, and the names may have been transposed by the vicar. Or his name could be Richard James, and he just "assumed" the name of Charles later in life.

One interesting point is that the son is called Richard. Ann Glos

that hadn't slipped by unnoticed Ann ! Just neglected to comment on it. I think the most likely scenario is that Richard decided he fancied being known as Charles later in life. Stranger things have happened.

perhaps a wealthy relative called charles was about to die and he changed his name in hope of getting the money