Genealogy Chat

I have my grandmothers name and her fathers name, aproximate dob but no place of birth.Will this be enough for the gro to do a three year search?regards ann

How approximate is the date of birth? Have you found any likely candidates on FreeBMD or 1837online? Where were her parents on the last census before she was born (or after)? The GRO may be able to undertake a search but if you're looking for a common name like Mary Smith with father John, then there may be several possibilities. If you give us some info perhaps people on here can help.

Ann, I very much doubt it, as you have no place of birth either, and your approximate dob may not be within the three year search. If your gt-gt-grandfather was alive in 1901 you could probably find him on the 1901 Census giving his age at that time. If you give us details of his name and what information you have on him, we can help look for you. Alternatively, you could go to your Local Records Office which is usually at the main library in your county town to find both their birth, death and marriage indexes to send off for the certificates. There is usually no charge for using the facilities at Local Records Offices. Kathy

hi twinkle her name was sarah myers she married john ratchford in1913 aged 20 in liverpool, this gives aprox 1893 birth. father henry deceased.i cant find either of them on the 1901 census i did send for what i thought was her birth it came with wrong fathers name.where can i go from here? regards ann

Kathy if i go to my local records office would i be able to check the fathers name?I'm looking for a birth 1894 to 1897 in the hope that she was younger than she said as i have been told not to believe marriage cert ages .regards ann

Ann, The birth index will not give her father's name - only the certificate will give this as well as her mother's maiden name - but at least you can look for all the Sarah Myers within say a 5 year radius of 1893, if there are any others. The hirth index will simply give her name, year of birth, registration district, volume and page number. Have been trying to look on Ancestry for you, but my computer is very slow this evening. Kathy

1901 Census 84 rathbone st st thomas liverpool RG13/3414/143/43 Henry Mier head 49 widower boxmaker liverpool elizabeth woodridge m daughter liverpool Henry 20 son galvanizer liverpool john 16 son liverpool alice 15 dau " susannah 13 " sarah 10 " janet M Woodridge grandaughter 10 months myers could be transcribed to this one hope it helps sandra

There is a Sarah Myers age 6 living in Everton on the 1901 Census but she is not with her parents, she is with a Johnston family and is down as neice, if any of this sounds like it could be of use I can send image. Keith

Thanks Kathy its not just your comp mines taking forever tonight.regards ann

Keith i have seen the everton one not sure its her but am keeping a note of it regards ann

Sandra this sounds promising its the best lead ive had so far i will look in to it so heres hoping.thank you all ever so much for all your help. kind regards Ann

found 2 poss births sarah myers 1894 Dec Q Liverpool 8b 25 sarah mier 1891 Mar Q Liverpool 8b 77 sandra

Ann, Keith and Sarah seem to have found two possibilities. I also found the family in Everton. Possible that father had already died : 7 Dobson Street, Everton, Liverpool: Alexander Johnston, head, 46, General Porter, born Liverpool Mary " wife, 41, born Liverpool Alexander " son, 22, Printer, born Liverpool Sarah Myers, niece, 6, born Liverpool. Also possible Birth Index: Sarah Myers 1894 December Liverpool, Lancs 8b 25. Good luck, Kathy

Hi Ann There is a Sarah Myers aged 6 in the 1901 Census, at 5 Dobson Street, Everton, Liverpool, listed as niece of Alexander Johnston (RG13/3484, folio 47, p. 33). This might be the Sarah Myers born Oct-Dec 1894, Liverpool 8b 25. This is correct for the age in 1901, and more likely than the Sarah Myers born in Jul-Sep 1895, as there is also a death of a Sarah Myers Jul-Sep 1895. Until you get a birth certificate, I don't think you will have a lot of success in working out which Henry might have been her father. The birth certificate will give address, mother's maiden name, and father's occupation, which should enable a marriage to be identified. There were a few Myers deaths between 1894 and 1901, including a Harry, aged 50, in 1897. The best hope is to check the birth certificate against the 1891 census, although of course Henry might still have been living with his parents then. On the whole, I think the 1894 record is more likely than Mier from 1891, as the age at a marriage in 1913 for the latter would be 22, or at least 21, and so is likely to be stated correctly. The other, actually 19 but stated as 20, is quite a usual stretching of the truth. Regards Stan

Sandra if the birth is registered as mier it cant be her as its definitly myers on marriage cert i have the cert 8b 25 the father for that sarah is john louis,so not mine ann

stan thank you for your input but as i told sandra i have that birth cert and its not her regards ann

Hi Ann Just a final thought: is there any possibility that Sarah's father died when she was so little that she gave the wrong name for the marriage certificate? There is a child called John Louis Myers in Fazackerley Workhouse in 1901, aged 6, with William aged 8, and John Edward aged 5. So we can probably assume that John Louis Myers (the elder) was dead then. Regards Stan

Hi Stan im really at a loss with sarah! when younger i was told that she was jewish she married a gentile and was disowned by her family.thats all i know of her regards ann

Hi Ann I can't resist a further response. Myers is an old English name (son of a dweller in a mire or bog), whereas Mier is a variant of Meyer, a well established Jewish name. Although the first names Henry and Alice don't seem Jewish, Mier does seem the more likely if we are looking for a Jewish name. Now all you need apart from the birth certificate of his daughter is a marriage of a Henry Mier about 1880, with death of his wife before 1901, and his death before 1913. Two useful clues would be her address at the time of the marriage, to compare with her putative father's address at death, and the occupation of her father. Regards Stan

I wouldn't discount something because it seems a different spelling from another source. I have a relative who is MALIN in the baptism register, Maling on her marriage cert and Mealing on her son's birth cert. I also have Chownes who became Chowns and even Chowndes on different documents. nell