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I thought I had this all sorted but have received 13 certs this morning to confirm my thoughts and I'm totally confused now. My late dad, his dad and his dad before him were all called Derwick Ormond Goodfellow from Alnwick and Amble in Northumberland. The earliest D.O. Goodfellow's father was called Adam though. From census returns he married a Margaret Ann. I have also found a family of Ormond's, father Derwick Ormond mother Jane Tait and daughter Margaret Ann Ormond. Ha ha I thought! My Adam Goodfellow married Margaret Ann Ormond and they named there first son by her fathers first name, her maiden name and then her new surname to make the strange combination of Derwick Ormond Goodfellow which has been a family name since 1870. But, Adam Goodfellow's marriage cert has arrived showing he married a Margaret Ann Hogg - and the birth cert for the earliet generation of Derwick Ormond Goodfellow shows mothers maiden name as Hogg also. I can't believe that these families aren't connected in some way because of the strange name but don't know what to look at next to try and clarify things. Any advice or ideas would be so gratefully received, Em

more than one marriage somewhere?

do you have the Ormond /Hogg marriage? BROWN, Francis 1841 June Marriages Alnwick Northumberland GOODFELLOW, Adam 1841 June Marriages Alnwick Northumberland HALL, Mary Ann 1841 June Marriages Alnwick Northumberland ORMOND, Derwick 1841 June Marriages Alnwick Northumberland REED, Isabella 1841 June Marriages Alnwick Northumberland TAIT, Jane 1841 June Marriages Alnwick Northumberland TAYLOR, George 1841 June Marriages Alnwick Northumberland WRIGHT, Ann 1841 June Marriages Alnwick Northumberland

Thanks Jess, I didn't think that could be the case. I've tracked them all through every census and they're with the same people all the time. I've gone back on Margaret Ann Ormond's line till 1735 and the Derwick or Derrewick Ormond continues all the way back - I do hope that's not wasted info! Thanks, Em.

Hi Emma, Dry your tears and put t'kettle on lass. You give no dates. Is it possible that the stray DO is a cousin of your line? Maybe one of Adam's grand or great grandsons? No ,he said, scratching his head. How does the Ormond slip into the Goodfellow line? Appears not through the Hoggs, but what about her mother? Adam's children could have had a Granny Hogg nee Goodfellow?

from 1861- thsi the right adam goodfellow? Susanna Bell 1831 Hexham, Northumberland, England Servant Alnwick Northumberland Adam Goodfellow 1814 Alnwick, Northumberland, England Head Alnwick Northumberland Adam Goodfellow 1847 Alnwick, Northumberland, England Son Alnwick Northumberland Ann Goodfellow 1815 Lowick, Northumberland, England Wife Alnwick Northumberland Ann Goodfellow 1849 Alnwick, Northumberland, England Daughter Alnwick Northumberland George Goodfellow 1845 Alnwick, Northumberland, England Son Alnwick Northumberland James Goodfellow 1842 Alnwick, Northumberland, England Son Alnwick Northumberland John Goodfellow 1840 Alnwick, Northumberland, England Nephew Alnwick Northumberland Julia Goodfellow 1854 Alnwick, Northumberland, England Daughter Alnwick Northumberland Rebecca Goodfellow 1851 Alnwick, Northumberland, England Daughter Alnwick Northumberland

Who was Derwick Ormond? Someone without two pence to rub together, or a farmer perhaps, with a bit of property? He might have been godfather to the baby, or related distantly by marriage and the child was named so that Mr Ormond would always be reminded of his namesake and perhaps do something for the boy.

Hi Jess, Out of that list I have two marr certs. The Ormond married the Tait and the Goodfellow married the Wright which is exactly what I thought before I received them. The Goodfellow/Tait's had the Adam Goodfellow in question in 1847 - it's this Adam that I thought must have married the Ormond. The Goodfellow/Hogg marriage is Mar 1872 Alnwick Em

Jess, Yes that's right - The Adam with the marriage confusion is the son in that census - his dad Adam married Ann Wright. Oooh you're all so quick to respond I can't keep up!! Kettle's on - and Bailey's is out of the cupboard ready!! Em

Brenda, Nothing like that crossed my mind. The name doesn't appear to have been carried on down the 'stray' line - just brought into the Goodfellow family and carried on from here. Derwick Ormond was a servant at Alnwick Castle. The Goodfellow's were nearly all butchers in Goodfellow's Yard. Em

Grampa, You're blinking confusing me there!! The Adam that's the father (rather than son Adam) married in 1841 an Ann Wright (father George) that's as far as I've got with her. Adam's parents were James Goodfellow and Julia Nicholson. You know this made perfect sense before the certs arrived - if only he'd married MA Ormond and not MA Hogg.

I suppose there is always the possibility that the name was chosen for no other reason than that it rolls nicely off the tongue? And if the Family were Butchers for generations the likelihood would be to name a son after his father in each generation which would show commercial stability. Maybe you are reading too much into it?

The name Derwick Ormond seems to go back a few generations on the IGI with different spellings such as Deniwick and Derrewick, so maybe Derwick Ormond Goodfellow was named after one from a previous generation? Maybe the connection between the Goodfellows (or the Hoggs) and the Ormonds was just in an earlier generation, and you have to expand the family tree a bit to find it! But the suggestion above could be correct. One of my ancestors appears to have been named after an uncle by marriage in the hope that he would inherit his money, and it seems to have worked! Kate.

Just to further confuse matters: In 1881 living with Adam Goodfellow, his wife Margaret Ann (Hogg according to marr cert) and kids including Derwick Ormond Goodfellow is Jane Ormond nee Tait - widow - who is Margaret Ann Ormond's mother!!! She is listed as mother in law. Am I going round the twist? Em

Just thinking about this one, and don't forget that 'mother in law' could mean step-mother in those days, but was Jane a spinster or widow on her marriage certificate? And was her father's surname Tait? And what are Margaret's fathers' details on Margaret's marriage certificate? Kate.

Hi Kate, Been thinking about your 'uncle' comment and trying to expand the tree outwards but still not come to anything. Jane Tait's father is William Tait so she'd not been married before. Margaret Ann Hogg/Ormond's father is listed as William Hogg on her marriage cert. Jane Tait and Derwick Ormond were married before they had Margaret - I've traced them as a couple through the census, he later died and she goes on to live with her daughter and son in law. I've checked the same with Adam goodfellow's parents incase 'm-i-l' meant step mother but that doesn't seem to fit either. They must be closely related somewhere for Derwick Ormond's widow Jane to call herself mother in law on the census when living with the Goodfellows. It is possible that Margaret Ann was the result of her mum being naughty out with the marriage and she told her daughter later on in life who then changed her name to match her birth father. She got married 2 years after her father (or who I think's her father) died so maybe the truth came out???

I see on the 1871 that Jane Ormond and her daughter Margaret Ann Ormond had Dinah Ormond living with them. Jane is head, Dinah 'mother in law' but I can't read the word after that. The transcription just has 'mother in law' but I'm sure there is another word. Age 86, widow, no birthplace given, 'imbecile' (presumably senile dementia). Have you already sorted out where she fits in? Kate.

I can't read that word either Kate!! I've pencilled Dinah in as Derwick Ormond's mother. His father was D.O. too and on Dinah's death cert it just says Dinah Ormond widow of Derwick Ormond - no maiden name. This is driving me potty. I lost my dad nearly two years ago to suicide and have just recently felt able to look into his side of my tree. As his name was Derwick Ormond Goodfellow I'm desperate to see where his name originates from.

I think we must have added our replies at the same time! Anyway, now I have seen Derwick, Jane and Margaret all together on the 1861, I'm sure it must be the same Margaret who married Adam, but still can't see where William Hogg fits in. You could well be right about him being Margaret's real father, I can't think of any other explanation at the moment. There were a few William Hoggs in Alnwick and I see one on the 1861 census was born in Scotland about 1816. Could that be him? Kate.