Genealogy Chat

Just a nudge to thanks peeps for help, in case they haven't seen this. Thanks Manda

Morning Guys Thank you all so much for your help yesterday. It might now give me something to go on!! lol or is that wishful thinking?!? lol Robin, How did you know that Alice A Fyles was mis-transcribed as Hyles??? You clever thing you!! Tracy I have looked on Yorkshire BMD before for Mary Fyles (nee Holgate) And the only one I can find is 5 years older than the census's. Also just had another look now and there are 2 more but 10 years earlier!! lol Thanks again anyway - much appreciated. Manda xx :-)

So, the Mary that Robin found is probably nee Holgate. Which means Henry was probably at sea for that census as well lol YorkshireBMD is good for Leeds. She should (hopefully) show up on there. Mary and Henry must've married between 1881 and 1891.

I think I found him in 1881.... Henry Fyler abt 1819 Lydiate Head (Barge Captain) William Forshaw abt 1872 Liverpool Grandson John Ashcroft abt 1823 Burscough Mate Elizabeth Ashcroft abt 1821 Essex, England Mates Wife Canal Boats Saturn, Lathom, Lancashire, England

1891 - mistranscribed as Alice A Hyles. Still at Farnhill. Mary age 43 born Chapeltown Leeds on a second look, it's a bit odd. Head is the old man, Henry Snr, Widower age 72. No Henry Jnr. Mary is described as Wife, crossed out. Alice is Daughter, but presumably intended to mean Mary's not Henry's

I have already ordered one today! Henry Fyles - Death age 77 - Skipton 1896 See if that shed's any light! Thanks very much again Tracy. Home time for me now - hardly done any work today!! ooops!! lol xx :-)

Think you might have to buy a few certs to be sure of all this lol I'm good at putting forward suggestions, but not so good at backing them up :)

I saw that marriage - but discarded it thinking it was wrong!

I deleted the second list cos I knew it was wrong. Just wishful thinking :)

Hi Tracey That first family sounds good to me - if only we can connect Henry Jnr to John!! Which census was that from?? I have a copy of the 1871 census for Henry snr (Well, I'm hoping it's him!! lol) What happen to the second list you put up?? I was going to say that I didn't think they were correct. You have been a very big help - much appreciated - Thanks Manda x :-)

Just for ref, this is Henry Snr in 1871... Henry Fyles abt 1819 Lytham, Lancashire, England Head Bingley Yorkshire Elizabeth Fyles abt 1832 Preston, Lancashire, England Wife Bingley Yorkshire Joseph Rostram abt 1828 Low Moor Bradford, Yorkshire, England Captains Mate Bingley Yorkshire I rekon Henry was married twice... Marriages Jun 1868 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Fyles Henry Skipton 9a 77 Whitlow Elizabeth Skipton 9a 77 I can't find this Henry anywhere but 1871 lol

I found this family... Alice Fyles abt 1876 Bingley, Yorkshire, England Daughter Ann Fyles abt 1842 Skipton, Yorkshire, England Wife Elizabeth Fyles abt 1878 Bingley, Yorkshire, England Daughter John Fyles abt 1845 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head (Boatman) John Fyles abt 1867 Bingley, Yorkshire, England Son Martha A. Fyles abt 1880 Bingley, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sarah Fyles abt 1871 Bingley, Yorkshire, England Daughter 4 Dorset St, Blackburn, Lancashire, England Probably same John as the one in 1861 with Henry. Daughter has same name. Possible their mother or grandmothers name. They're with Anns parents in 1871, in Bingley.

Yay!! Thank you AlterEgo!! Now - mother and father anyone?? lol Thanks very much all you guys - at least now have a little bit more to go on. See if I can get any further before I scream for help again!! lol thanks again everybody. Manda xx :-)

If the 1901 says born Skipton,she is yours,she is the only alice fyles born skipton 1837-2000,this also applies to alice ann as a first name.

lol Tracey! It gets worse!! Mind you, if they came up the Leeds/Liverpool canal, the boat aint gonna be that big?!? :-)

Yes, it was Ancestry. They're the only two in the boat though lol

Ooooh na then!! Interesting. Did you find that on ancestry Tracey?? Will have another look! Thanks Manda x :-)

From what you said... what do you rekon for 1861 Henry Fyles abt 1852 Wigan, Lancashire, England Labourer Vessels Lancashire John Fyles abt 1845 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Mate Vessels Lancashire Source information: RG9/3090 Registration district: Blackburn Sub-registration district: Harwood ED, institution, or vessel: George Welson Folio: 58

Bernice - I know!!! lol!! Nightmare - I've got cousins all over the place marrying each other!! lol I done ok on the Holgate's, from my granddad backwards (ie: Herbert Mawson Holgate) But I haven't been able to find where Mary Holgate (Alice's mother) comes in! I know they were cousins of sorts, but how (yet!) I've no idea! Manda x :-)

Oh I see Tracey - Didn't know that! thanks anyway. Guys, I think I may have found her Grandfather on the 1871 census! Don't ask me how, if I can't find her mother and father!! lol From the little info that my mum gave me, Alice Ann's grandfather was also called Henry Fyles born 1819c - a boatman from Lancashire. Apparently they/he came up to Leeds/Liverpool canal to Bradford/skipton area. On the 1871 Census I have found Henry Fyles, from Lancashire, living on the Leeds/Liverpool Canal on a boat!! Right age too. So fingers cross that is correct, but it still leaves me stuck on Henry Fyles and Mary Holgate (Alice's mother and father) Manda x :-)