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Can anyone help me unravel this please: Trying to make it as clear as possible but it's VERY complicated: Mary Chesters was born c 1836 – Cheshire. In 1856 she married Samuel HICKTON and was later widdowed. In 1871 she married Samuel DOWNING and was later widdowed again before 1881 when I have her on census living with her (HICKTON) children – Including Richard L. HICKTON (who is really Richard C. Hickton). Born c 1859. Meanwhile…………. Richard C. Hickton then marries Sarah Louisa RICHARDSON so I have been following the Richardson line back – Doing very well but ended up with a ‘spare Richardson family who I know are connected. This family is headed by Samuel Richardson born c 1838 – I followed him right back and then forward again – when I got to 1891 I found Mary DOWNING there as his ‘sister-in-law’ !!!!!!!!! Mary DOWNING – ALSO appears on the 1891 a second time – living with some of her children (Hickton’s), BUT, ALSO there is Alice RICHARDSON – who I believe is one of Samuel Richardson’s daughters. Therefore – she is on the 1891 twice and obviously has a ‘bit of a thing’ for Samuels but I can’t work out the sister-in-law relationship and how Samuel relates to the other Richardsons . PLEASE help with some suggestions. Many thanks, Dea x

sister in law could also be step sister does that help? jeanette

Lynne, No ! I have followed Sarah Richardson's family back and they all ft together - her father is Thomas. The Samuel and his large family that I have found have no proven connection to Sarah + her father Thomas or to any other member of Sarah's family that I have so far. They have just come together via Mary Downing who seems to be Samuel sister-in-law - She is also mother of Richard (who married Sarah) - I NEED to connect Samuel with the rest of the Richardson family but not via Mary Downing (if you see what I mean?) Dea

Thank you Jeanette - I will bear that in mind. At the moment I think it complicates things even further but I will explore it when I can think a little clearer on this. Regards, Dea

1891: Mary Downing - head - widdow - age 56 living on own means - at 2 Church Street, Monks Coppenhall, Cheshire Mary Downing - sister in law - widdow - age 56 - living on owwn means at the Bear's Head, Brereton Green, Cheshire - RG12/2843 with Samuel Richardson as Head. Both the same person! Dea x

I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but I believe it is the same district. Also, IF there are 2 - why do they both have connections with the same Richardsons and the same Hicktons and both have connections with and work in Pubs ??? ALSO - on the 1871 - The middlewich birth Mary (when she was still a Hickton) - was also down as born in Clive !! They MUST be the same person. Dea

nudged as I REALLY need help on this please Dea

OK - let's assume sister in law means that and not a step relationship or any other odd connection. 1)Sister in law could mean Samuel's brother's wife BUT she was never married to a Richardson and her husbands were both Samuels so that's out. 2) Sister in law could mean his wife's sister. Do you know anything about the Chesters family. Did Mary have any sisters who could have married Samuel Richardson? 3) I suppose he might still call her sister in law if his wife was sister to one of Mary's husbands. Do you have any info on Samuel Richardson's wife. Could she have been a CHESTERS or a HICKTON or a DOWNING?

Thanks Judith - I have followed those through. 1 - is out as you say. 2 - I have looked for a marriage with any of those surnames - there are only 2 marriages for a Samuel Richardson between 1855 - 1865 that I can find - the only one which might be it has no spouses names on page and the 1837 image is barely readable: Marriages Sep 1859 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marklow William Warrington 8c 123 Richardson Samuel Warrington 8c 123 This is also in Warrington which is fairly nearby but not very convincing. I suppose your point 3 is a possibility - I will see what I can find. Regards, Dea P.S. - Samuel Richardson's wife was called Elizabeth - born c 1840, Clive, Cheshire. - The first child that I know of was born c 1860

Nudging for my friend Tracey to have a look. (+ anyone else if they are willing)! Dea x

Dea It could really be as simple as the fact she has been entered twice, one where she normally lives and the other where she may be visiting only where she is visiting they have put the relationship to head(as if she is living there) instead of visitor. I have found this occurring twice on my tree. eg. I had a harriet, a boarding house keeper, on Yarmouth Census and the same Harriet staying with her sister and hubby but listed as sil to Head on Catfield census. The people staying at the boarding house that night probably thought they ought to add her name to the census as she owned the place even tho she wasn't there. Was there anybody else on the Church St address listed with her. If so maybe they listed her because she would normally be there. They might have thought she would be missed out if they didn't put her name on. I suppose not everybody understood the rules? Kat

Thanks Kat - I realise this and appreciate that is why she is on there twice. However, It still links her up to the Hicktons and the Richardsons + SAMUEL RICHARDSON who I cannot link up with Sarah and her father Thomas and the rest of their family. This is what I am trying to do but cannot find the connection. Dea x

Will have another look after dinner. If you find anything meantime please add it to thread? Kat

THANK YOU !!!!!!! Dea x

Thank you Alan, I had, found this one but I can't connect the surname Wright to anything. Thanks for you info - I will keep looking. Regards, Dea x

Dea, The only thing I can think of is the relationship could be: 1) Mary's sister marrying the brother of Samuel or brother of Samuels wife. 2) A sister of one of Mary's Husbands marrying a brother of Samuel or Samuels wife 3) A brother of Mary's Husband marrying a sister of Samuel or Samuels wife. This can get complicated but I think you need a list of all the above brothers and sisters and find all their husbands and wives . Or have you already done that? Have you established the marriages of all the brothers and sisters. Could be a long haul but I bet you find the connection there Kat .

All I can say Kat is that I have been working on all of the above. Haven't found it yet BUT I WILL !!!!!!!!!!!! Dea x

Do you have Mary on the 1841 and / or 1851? And if so, does she have any sisters, particularly an Elizabeth (well, I know you can't be sure what relationship on the 1841, but you know what I mean). If not, it might help if you can find her on either or both. Kate.

Unfortunately Cheshire is not on Origins1841 census yet. If you have them on 1851 census ie all the brothers and sisters of both perhaps we can help you work from there Kat