Genealogy Chat

Gerri! I was doing me washing up this morning and that also came to my mind! Perhaps even Ann said it if she was a humourous person (or had been on the bottle!). That also makes me feel that this guy wasnt a lodger or paying guest but someone known to the family.

I got it!....:-))) The vicar was visiting for what ever reason and he had a sense of humour like mine. When asked his relationship to the household....he said INMATE as it's a mad house.....lol Sorry Heather...no offence meant lol Gerri x

Actually, when you look at the photo of the Inn, big place isnt it!, you can see how it could have been split into 3 separate places. I am thinking that is what happened by 1861 and that Ann had given over the brewing and pub side to sub tenants and perhaps took in the odd lodger to supplement her income (though he left her a fair wodge of money by all accounts - his family sold some land in Surrey for the railways).

Thats very kind of you. Thank you very much. I did write to Youngs a couple of months back, but got no answer. I will try again now you have prompted me. Thank you!

Heather You have probably already tried this and if you have please excuse me. Although this is not about your query I thought I would mention it. If you enter into Google Rose and Crown Wimbledon it will show a few sites with pictures of the Rose and Crown. One is Infotel Second pubs(.) com Third. Fancy a pint Another city pub life has a few inside pictures It's owned by Youngs and if you write to them they may have some history of previous owners. I contacted a brewery about my lot and they were most helpful. Sorry again if you have already looked at these sites. Pat

Is that the Eales boy - also a publican, blow me, I wonder how the drinking public of South England would have managed without this lot. Thomas' eldest boy, Thomas (my direct line) married the daughter of a publican and then his son became a licensed victualler and also married the daughter of a publican. No wonder his daughter was fond of the bottle (my great gran).

OK! but Thomas may belong to the other sister? Oh Im drifting arnt I? lol thats the only thing Im good at lol Found the grandson in 1901... (I think) he's a publican just like his gran aaahhhh! married with thousands of kids lol Nighty nght you lot....I have to work tomorrow :( Gerri :-)) xx

Kate it crossed my mind at first it may still be the Inn but when Thomas had it in the previous census there were several servants working there as apparently it is quite a big place (still there according to the nice people at the records office who sent me a write up on it) It would seem strange not only not to mention it was an Inn, not to mention she was a licensed victualler but also to put the only visitor down as inmate, doesnt it? I suppose it may be when the husband died in 1853 she stopped using it as an Inn and just lived there occasionally taking in guests. Just had another look at the image. Next house has a brewer and family and the house after a beer retailer. I just wonder if she had sort of sublet the Inn/beer selling side to others. Like your theory Gerri, but the daughter wasnt married! I think it says inmate Crone. Sometimes you can get whatever ancestry tell you stuck in your mind and cant see the wood for the trees, can you. Now you mention the church again, in his will old Tom seemed dead keen on the Parish Church Wimbledon, left it some dosh. Maybe the connection is there.

Is it definitely Inmate and not curate? Perhaps it was a Church property? Grace and favour? Olde Crone

Hi Heather, For a start, the address isn't 51 High Street. Household Schedule number is 51; the address is just given as High Street. Can't remember what you said about Ann now I can't see the thread! but did you say she ran a pub? Could Edwin Davis have been staying there for the night but the enumerator got muddled up and put inmate instead of visitor or whatever he should have put? Now I've re-read it, I wonder if they are still living at the Rose and Crown but didn't fill in Ann's occupation? Kate.

what about this idea?... The daughters husband dies. It's census night. The vic is visiting the house?

Ive been trying to find him earlier but cant see him. Yes I suppose he could be a toy boy. Lucky old mum. Oh well, Im off to bed now, at least Ive found the kids with birth dates after 1837 so I can order the certs. I think mum is Ann Wait, but Id like to be sure. Nite nite kids. Gerri, put the fag out.

He could be courting either!...the Mums 40, daughters 23 and himselfs 33...lol

Def says summut about Kensington! Horrible copy though.

I think its says St Barnabas, Kensington? It says he is from All Saints, Worcester, despite the silly place name ancestry gave. Why would he be staying in Wimbledon and an inmate? Ann and the daughter have no occupations so its not like they are nursing him or something, is it. I wonder if he was a courting the daughter Emma? (Like a Dickens novel, aint it). Shake me up Judy.

I think it says Assistant curate of St. Barnabas, Kensington. It does look like inmate though I don't know why. Perhaps it should have been tennant? Kath. x

Sorry Heather lol Im still trying to find them on Ancestry!.... we a bit slow ere in Stevenage lol

Heather It looks as if he is in the same house as Ann Taylor, but can't explain why he's an inmate. Strange! Gem:)))

Blimey, how big is that fag?

HOORAH! she dun it! lol Im avin a fag now and tinking.....