Genealogy Chat

Right girls lol....This is exactly what is on the CD.... Holy Trinity Bungay....Suffolk 1. Ann Hollingdale aged 77 years (buried in a brick grave in the Churchyard by Licence from Secr. of State) Sept 21 1857 2. Elizabeth Denny of Yarmouth Norfolk aged 82 (Interned in brick grave in the Church Yard by order of Home Secretary) buried August 21 1877. As you can see there is 20 years between the buriels!, so would 'Typhoid Mary apply' I'm not sure! I will also have a google and see what I come up with. meet you back here soon I expect lol......makes an interesting evening. and you never know if we find the answer, one day someone else might ask the same question and hey, we will have an answer.....good luck......Lilly

Oh Gawd! Typhoid Mary was in the US ..... can't be doing with this one anymore!!! Did all the ailment stuff last night and drew a blank - only thing I could find was TB and then not a real epidemic. With 20 years between the burials, it does seem a desperate assumption - unless 'Typhoid Mary' visited twice! I wonder if the newspapers carried a story ... maybe they were special in some way and the Home Sec wanted to ensure their remains survived as long as poss? Only other thing I can think of is that after a post-mortem the official speak is 'by order of the HS' ... maybe we're over-reacting? Will check back later! Regs Jane

I think the answer may be more mundane than at first imagined ...... If the cemetary was running short of space then a special request may have been made to the secretary of state via the burial authorities to use a brick grave rather than use more ground. There is something like this if you google Ryde cemetary. The result would appear 'by order of the secretary of state' meaning by permission, rather than on his instruction. I will look a little further..... Ian

If anyone is interested in finding out more about internment in Victorian times, in London, try this site http://www.victorianlondon.org/cassells/cassells-35.htm it mentions brick vaults, costs etc It seems lead coffins had to be used in brick vaults, owing to the regualtions of the time Dee

1. Central government responsibility for cemeteries (and crematoria) within England is shared. The Home Secretary is responsible for burial and cremation law, and related matters concerning the disturbance of buried human remains. I found a parliament site which says the above and also a few other things, i think maybe certain deaths i.e possibly suspicious or maybe famous/infamous had to be passed through the Home secretary before being granted burial rites, or something like that. Or maybe its just they were wealthy and their families wanted them buried this way.

Found something interesting, apparently, if a cemtery was full and no longer accepting burials, permission was sought from the Home secretary, so that maybe why it says under license of Home secretary, maybe, when they were buried the cemetary was full or no longer operational.

Bob, Glad to hear it wasn't me personally that you were getting at. As it happens the thread opens quite normally for me, with no large expanse of white space, which is why I didn't know what you meant. Kath. x

Kathleen, Lilly, glad we are still amicable.. I was commenting on what you had writ...LOL strange, wonder why I get that effect then? you see the menu in green, on the left? well the thread (page 1)doesn't start (for me) until I scroll down to..''Text TOO Small ?'' page 2 starts normally.. Hugs? Bob