Genealogy Chat

Did any of you guys get anywhere with this? I'm also looking at this family tree, and it isn't straightforward! James Aspinall Jnr married Emily Pearson in 1870 (27/08). On the cert, her name is given as Emma which isn't unusual especially as she was illiterate, and the address they both lived at on the marriage cert was the same as on the 1871 Census for the Pearson family.
On the certificate James does not give a father's name but is recorded as illegitimate. He appears to have been conceived possibly between his mother Jane's marriage to James Aspinall and John Swarsbrick. Confusingly he is recorded on the 1861 Census as Nephew of Jane's son by her first marriage, John.
Did anyone get any clues as to James (1850) paternity, or is this lost as I suspect in history?
Regards, Chris.

Good luck Linda, by the way if he was 1 on the 1851 census he could have been born any time between April 1849 and April 1850 so he is more likely to have been born in 1849 than in 1850! I hope you don't have to get too many birth certs before you get the right one. Kate.

hi heather and kath a lovely lady named cath on this board and a lady called andrea on the records board found this on the 1841 census. Found them! Hotel Street, Great Bolton John Aspinall-40-Wheelwright, Jane-40, Betty-15, Ellen-15, James-10, Edna?-9, Esther-8, Rich?-6, John-5, Margaret-3; Living with family are Betty Aspinall-60, (John's mum?); Peter Morton-20, William Bulgar-40, Jane Bulgar-35 and Patrick Bulgar-10 there was another james then aged 10 in 1841 along with a betty, ellen, edna and a margaret we didnt know about i have also found abirth for a james aspinall born bolton 1850 so i am going to send off for it. there were two others for 1849 but i will wait till the 1850 comes and check that one out first. . so i am going to try and find the other missing kids on familysearch . who knows i might get lucky. i still think that th possibility of james being esters son is a very good one. and cant wait to get his birth cert. would jane have registered him as hers do you think ? thanks for ALL YOUR HELP i couldnt have done it with out you love linda xx

I have some children listed as son or daughter on one census and on the next they are living with married sister as their son or daughter, lol. Heather

no heather i sent away for that yesterday so it will be a couple of weeks. the more i think about esther being the mum the more i think it could be. or is it me letting my imagination run away with me .

Have you got James' marriage cert? (James born 1850)

just looking on free bmd to see if i can find a james aspinall who died after 1835 ( when john was born ) and before 1850 when james was born there are ten how can i narrow it down without sending for all the certs. that would be too costly love linda x

Lindy Ask for a lookup for 1841 as Jane could have other, older children who could be James' parent. Heather

oh my god heather. how would i work that one out. so who i thought was his sister could have been his mother. ? yes james is the nephew of john in 1861 census . when you look at it there is a big difference in the dates of birth . esther 1832 richard 1833 john 1835 and then james 1850 i just thought it was to do with her being remarried? if i could find out when janes husband died then that would give me a bettter idea. heather you are wonderful i can thank you enough for your help. love linda x

Lindy Is James the nephew of John in 1861? If John was Jane's son in 1851 then perhaps James is the son of Esther? Heather

still cant find richard , john, or james anywhere and i am still puzzled why if james was born in 1850 in bolton and his surname is aspinall then why si his mothe jane swrbrick in 1851 and james and his brothers and sister are down as stepchildren. ? ooh my heqd hurts now !!! love linda x

found esthers christening 1830 bolton le moors whoo hoo!!

well hubby is being fed. i have found on familysearch a marriage for a james aspinall to a jane latham 1st january 1822 saint peters bolton le moors lancashire. which sounds about right in 1851 jane's birth was c1803 which would make her 19 when she married.if only i knew if this was the right ones. if jane got remarried to james swarbrick thenon the marriage cert would her surname be aspinall or her maiden name ? love linda x

you are right heather i can see where they have gone to put step son but it might have been crossed out but why then was his name aspinall.? be back after my pasta love lindax x

thanks kate and heather i have got to go and give hubby his tea i will look at the liverpool one. just apuzzle why if they married in 1846 james's surname is aspinall and not swarbrick he was born in 1850 and why he is down as stepson? will be back later, if anyone else has any ideas please feel free. thanks love linda x

Lindy, does it say step-son on the image? There is something but not sure if it's step-son. Familysearch has a baptism for Esther parents James and Jane Bolton-le-moors and a marriage for a James Aspinall to Jane ASPINALL Warrington 1830.......oh no, the christening is before the marriage!! Heather

thanks kate, james had a sister esther aspinall born 1832 in bolton a brother john born 1835 in bolton ( on the 1861 census james is living with john and his family ) a brother richard aspinall born 1833 in bolton i only know his mothers name is jane from the 1851 census i dont know if its her proper name. anyone got the 1841 census for lancashire ! love linda x x

I think the FreeBMD marriage Heather meant was Jane Aspinall and JOHN Swarbrick in Liverpool. But it could well just be a coincidence. But I can't find James Swarbrick / Jane Aspinall on Lancashire BMD. Gotta give the kids their tea now... Kate.

hi heather thanks for your help. yeas bolton le moors is the same place and warrington is about 20 miles away. i can find the 1846 james swarbrick on free bmd and there are two janes one is jane hornby and the other is jane amar. the district is fylde which is near blackpool . if they married in 1846 and james was born in 1850 and his surname is aspinall and it says stepson on the 1851 census i dont understand it. love linda x

Having had a quick look on FreeBMD, it looks as though James Aspinall was a popular name in Bolton! To make sure you don't miss any of the possible birth entries, you are best to look through the images of the GRO birth indexes for all quarters Jun 1849 to Jun 1850 and note down the references for all James Aspinalls born in Bolton. Then of course the trouble is finding out which is the right one. You can specify his mother's name has to be Jane when ordering the cert, if you are sure that Jane was her proper name and not just her middle name or something (you can't always tell from the census if this was the case.) Here is another idea - find the marriage between Jane Aspinall and James Swarbrick and order their marriage certificate first, because that will tell you Jane's maiden name. Then you can specify that as a checking point to order James's birth certificate and that should ensure you get the right one. But now I come to think of it, were any of James's brothers and sisters born before 1841? Perhaps you can find the Aspinalls on the 1841 with those children and see who his father was that way. Might help, anyway. Kate.