Genealogy Chat

Well, Im just sitting here awe struck at you old pros. Its a bit like Im managing arithmetic and you lot are on logarithms or macro econmics or something. Im off to bed. Nite nite my little geniuses. If you are staying up - Thomas Edroff is still missing in 1841 Middx.:} Nite nite.

Very true on all counts Kate (blue is something you stick in the wash, by the way!) Wonder if I can gets to Herts RO somehow? ....Or I wonder if they have a wills index there? Merry

Merry, I have had no luck with the census, but although William Smith's will was on the National Archives, it doesn't mean that John's would be. If you are lucky it will be at the Hertfordshire Record Office / Archives, though. Assuming he lived in Standon too, that is. But I am having trouble thinking of what else you could try. I can see why you have been leaving this line for so long! Oh, I suppose there are always Standon gravestone inscriptions to look at, if you ever get over there... Kate.

For six million more names I would have thought GR would send you a researcher to help!! Merry

Merry, Sorry, I am unavailable to help - I am too busy connecting everyone who ever lived in Gawsworth, to everyone else. I also did Wheelton, in Lancs, from 1556, to try to find my missing 2 x GGF - I didnt find him, but if I ever do AND he is really from Wheelton, I shall be able to add six million names to my tree, lol OC

This flippin' William Smith's will actually states William's father, John Smith, left a will. Why couldn't he have said what he did for a living, when he died, or where he lived? Merry

That's not funny, Crone! I am still in the middle of doing a five parish tree in Oxfordshire for my other Smith line. I've been transcribing and constructing families (1575 - 1837ish) for two years. I have several hundred entries out-sorted and SOME are arranged into family groups. All this work and I have managed to add precisely SIX names to my tree on the line in all that time! Not sure I can cope with another the same? Mind you...............maybe if I had some help???????????!!!! lol Merry

Oh dear, Merry, I can feel a Crone-type whole village family tree coming on for you. Start at 1556 and construct a tree for the whole lot of them ...it may all then become clear...or it may not. OC

Hello Olde Crone...............no I haven't looked for apprenticeship records for these people yet. Only found the occupations today! (on death certs).......they were ones I'd been deliberately hanging fire on (for about 5 years lol) waiting for a really dry spell when I have no more ancestors to research! That time is now.......... Merry

Hmmmmmmm Well, I've found the widow of William Smith and one of the sons. Widow Sarah (grocer) and son Charles (tailor) living in Standon in 1841. Sarah is 65 years of age, which suggests William (her late husband) and James (my ggg-grandfather) may have been brothers. So......two brother's with a dad name John Smith....lol.....Simple! Merry

LOL!!! Well, it was lovely clear writing! He had a beloved wife named Sarah and two beloved sons named Charles and George. He even named his father (not James!!) - John Smith (lol.....couldn't have been Archibald or something!).........he had lots of bits and pieces of property all to go to the wife and sons......Not one bit, ''To my brother James'' or ''To my nieces Jane and Catherine Maynard''!! Needless to say, there is no will of a John Smith (the father) for Standon Herts.........hmmmm wonder if he was a tailor too?? LOL Merry

Merry, Go for it girl - its omly £3.50, and even if its NOT him, it might help you to eliminate someone else! Um, not trying to teach an old dog new tricks - but have you tried to find apprenticeship records?These would give you the name of his father, I should think. Wonder if the Wood lad was an apprentice, too? Aged 25, he could be a Poor Apprentice - should be in the Poor Law records. (Sorry, I know you dont want the Wood boy, but Ive got Woods on my mind after my recent hot matches! and sometimes you have to take a sideways sweep and come in on them from an unexpected angle!) OC

Well, that's one ''For''!! LOL (I think..............) Merry

Merry, I am saying nothing. Last time I encouraged you, you spent pounds on the wrong person. Bet it says 'to my dearly loved wife... I leave everything'

Who thinks I should buy this will????? I think James Smith lived most of his life in Standon/Wadesmill. He was a tailor. Who thinks this is a relation? (Will I be able to tell??!!!) Description Will of William Smith, Tailor and Shopkeeper of Standon , Hertfordshire Date 08 June 1838 Catalogue reference PROB 11/1897 Merry

Ooooh, you are all so kind to keep looking, whilst I visited Father-in-law with two fractious children, ploughed round Asda, took them to McDonalds and came home! LOL I'm beginning to think the Smiths just got missed :o(( Thank you Cynthia for that couple.......Can't decide.....I suppose it's possible that James eyesight was too poor to continue being a tailor, so he had a change of occupation, but his apprenticed trade was put on his death cert.......It doesn't worry me that Mary is now born in Herts as the 1841 census are so often wrong.......Maybe I should look to see if I can find your couple separately on the 1841? Nell - I think that marriage is ''The One''!! Smith's are just too tricky for words! I have two branches of them :o(( Merry

Eliza Smith abt 1818 Ealing, Middlesex, England Daughter Lewisham Kent James Smith abt 1770 Hatfield, Hertfordshire, England Head Lewisham Kent Gardener Mary Smith abt 1777 Barnet, Hertfordshire, England Wife Lewisham Kent Couldn't be these could it. In Skeets Lane Lewisham ? Cynthia

I will have a look later this evening if they have not been found. But really, James and Mary Smith! Kate.

Could this be their marriage? IGI JAMES SMITH Spouse: MARY LANGFORD Marriage: 21 FEB 1800 Standon, Hertford, England Batch No.: M072912 Dates: 1671 - 1812

ditto with Helen !! SSSoo frustrating - I will keep looking and let you kno if I find anything. Dea Xxx