Genealogy Chat

Blinkin 'eck !!!!! THANK YOU everyone. Unfortunately, I had family business to attend to last nght, so left the boards. I will be busy for next few hours ... but just wanted to let you all know that I know you have added and the info is MUCH APPRECIATED x Thank You x Elaine ;-)

1881 frederick 21 liverpool sarah (mcclure) 19 born scotland jane (daughter) 1 born liverpool(sep 1880) hannah 69-mother (widow) none of the 3 women here including the daughter can be found in 1891-deaths not found in between censi either.>>>>>>IS FREDERICK the one that appears with the Haynes family having married (marriage not found-but her death has at 22 in 1890) Mary Ann haynes as a second marriage???????? -------------------------------------- 1871 s amuel Llewellyn 56 manchester hannah (wife) 57 weston frederick 10 liverpool -------------------------------------- 1861 samuel Llewellyn 45 manchester boiler maker hannah (wife)46 cheshire frederick 5 months liverpool Elizabeth Hickson daughter(servant)24 !!!! born liverpool -----------------------------------------------

1871 View Record Elizabeth Hickson abt 1837 Liverpool, Cheshire, England Daughter Toxteth Park Lancashire View Record Frederick Llewellyn abt 1860 Liverpool Son Toxteth Park Lancashire View Record Hannah Llewellyn abt 1815 Cheshire, England Wife Toxteth Park Lancashire View Record Samuel Llewellyn abt 1816 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head Toxteth Park Lancashire View Record Levin Price abt 1830 America, Cheshire, England Visitor Toxteth Park Lancashire ******************* This is the 1881 from the previous page and might tie in. 1881 View Record Fredrick Llewellyn abt 1860 L'Pool, Lancashire, England Head Liverpool Lancashire View Record Hannah Llewellyn abt 1812 L'Pool, Lancashire, England Mother Liverpool Lancashire View Record Jane Llewellyn abt 1880 L'Pool, Lancashire, England Daughter Liverpool Lancashire View Record Sarah Llewellyn abt 1862 Scotland Wife Liverpool Lancashire ************************************************************************* This chap on 1901 - View Record Andrew W Llewellyn abt 1897 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Everton Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Llewellyn abt 1865 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife Everton Lancashire View Record Frederick Llewellyn abt 1862 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head Everton Lancashire View Record Samuel D Llewellyn abt 1895 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Everton Lancashire View Record Victoria M Llewellyn abt 1899 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Everton Lancashire will try and trace him back.............. Possibly their marriage View Record Mary Ellen Bennion 1891 Oct-Nov-Dec Liverpool (1837-1924) Lancashire View Record Thomas Frederick Dodd 1891 Oct-Nov-Dec Liverpool (1837-1924) Lancashire View Record Frederick Llewellyn 1891 Oct-Nov-Dec Liverpool (1837-1924) Lancashire View Record Martha Agnes J Markham 1891 Oct-Nov-Dec Liverpool (1837-1924) Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Ann Wedekind 1891 Oct-Nov-Dec Liverpool (1837-1924) Lancashire *************************** 1891 Name: Elizabeth Wedekind Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where Born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Poulton with Seacombe Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Seacombe County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Source information: RG12/2897 Registration district: Birkenhead Sub registration district: Wallasey ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Folio: 102 Page: 22 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6098007

Maybe Fred never married 'Mary' (?) I can not find the daughter Jane Llewellyn 1880 after the 1881 entry

Just have an hour...so popped back. NOTES ONLY at the mo 1871 Matilda Lee abt 1813 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Head Twyford Shropshire Eliza Spooner abt 1811 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Sister Twyford Shropshire Fred Llewellyn abt 1862 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Grandson Twyford Shropshire Source information: RG10/2778 Registration district: Oswestry Sub-registration district: Knockin ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 106 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 3 GSU Number: 838840 Both ladies are widows Fred is a scholar *************************************** Another poss - 1881 View Record Fredrick Llewellyn abt 1860 L'Pool, Lancashire, England Head Liverpool Lancashire View Record Hannah Llewellyn abt 1812 L'Pool, Lancashire, England Mother Liverpool Lancashire View Record Jane Llewellyn abt 1880 L'Pool, Lancashire, England Daughter Liverpool Lancashire View Record Sarah Llewellyn abt 1862 Scotland Wife Liverpool Lancashire

Thank you Pen x Really appreciate the help :-) I'm still on the trail of Fred Llewellyn b 1860 ..!! can only find ONE born around about that time, his parents are Samuel & Hannah :-(( Oh well.... Cheers Elaine ;-)

Calling it a day for now Elaine...need to feed the monsters. Reckon your right and they either came over already married - during 1861 and 68 Or they came over during that period, met and married, lol. Best of luck Pen x

Kelly, Yep, that looks like Benjamin & Clara Haynes on 1901 .... and that is a definate possibility for Clara's death in 1909 ! THANK YOU xx Marie, Thankyou, both those Haynes marriages look definate poss's to me :-))) Brilliant, Cheers xxx ... will follow both of them through Pen, My biggest problem ! .. Not being able to locate any of them on 61 or 51. Have a feeling that Benjamin may have been in Canada prior to 1871 ... I'll re check the marriage indexes again for marriage between Fred Llewellyn & Mary Haynes :-) Not sure about Fred Llewellyn (1860) prior to 1891 ... so will have to rethink about him ... Thanks everyone, you've all been a terrific help :-) When you get so bogged down with one family and end up going round in circle's it really does help to know you can call on friends :-)) Really appreciate everyone's help x Elaine ;-))

SO SORRRRY everyone for disappearing like that. Phone ringing none stop and son came in from school. Bear with me whilst I read through and then I'll come back to you all :-) THANKS x Elaine ;-)

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference HAYNES Emily C HORNBY Thomas H Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/93/290

1895 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference HAYNES Henry L MCKNIGHT Mary Everton, St. Chrysostom Liverpool 2095WD/5/118

Can't spot either of them on the 1861 or 51 x

No worries Hun x

Not ignoring you Pen, I'll be back during next 10 minutes are so :-))

1871 for ref - View Record Benjamin H Haymes abt 1832 Canada Head West Derby Lancashire View Record Claria Haymes abt 1837 Preußen Wife West Derby Lancashire View Record Lewis H Haymes abt 1870 West Derby, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire View Record Mary Ann Haymes abt 1868 Liverpool Daughter West Derby Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Herbert abt 1861 West Derby, Lancashire, England Sister West Derby Lancashire Source information: RG10/3848 Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby ED, institution, or vessel: 52 Folio: 47 Page: 30 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 126 GSU Number: 841928 Unable to find a marriage at the mo. Think it's gonna be a case of going through the images, lol. Gonna try and marry everyone off. Can not make out the relationship of the Herbert child though..not sister...looks a bit like patient

Oh Pen .... Maybe a possibility mighten it !! I'll do some diggin ! ... Wonder if she died in Childbirth - (Benjamin born 1889?) or shortly afterwards ..

1881 for Ref View Record Clarina Haynes abt 1837 (BS), Preußen Wife West Derby Lancashire View Record Emily C. Haynes abt 1877 West Derby, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire View Record Henry Haynes abt 1834 Canada Head West Derby Lancashire View Record Lewis H. Haynes abt 1870 West Derby, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire View Record Louisa Haynes abt 1874 West Derby, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire **View Record Mary A. Haynes abt 1868 Liverpool Daughter West Derby Lancashire Notes only at the mo Could this be Mary A. Haynes from the 1881 census Death entry - Name: Mary Llewellyn Birth Date: abt 1868 Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 22 District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 253 (click to see others on page)

Cheers Pen x

Off to do the school run back in bit x

Yes, they are all together on 1891 census: Name: Benjamin Hy Haynes Age: 58 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where Born: Upper Canada, Canada Civil parish: West Derby Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Source information: RG12/3001 Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: West Derby (Rural) ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Folio: 14 Page: 33 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6098111 Sorry, I should have included the 1891 census for reference. Bit out of practice :-)) Cheers Penelope x