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LLEWELLYN ....2x L....has been misspelt sometimes on ancestry with an 'i'.

.... PROBLEM FAMILY 1`~The Haynes family. Frederick Llewellyn born abt. 1885. West Derby, Liverpool ........living with his father, another Frederick Llewellyn born abt 1860, and brother Benjamin (1889) .......they are living with what seems to be fred juniors deceased mothers parents family.........head of house Benjamin H Haynes b 1833 Canada, and Clara Haynes.b Prussia. (1) Benjamin (also known as Henry) - he has consistently had Canada as place of birth recorded - and she has consistently had Prussia as place of birth!!!! ....... cant find their marriage ..... or deaths. (2) Young Fred Llewellyn born 1885 ..... what was his mothers name.........cant find his parents marriage. (3) Fred Llewellyn snr 1860 was born Liverpool ...... at first appears to be the only son of a Samuel llewellyn (1815 Manchester) and Hannah (1813 - weston-cheshire-possibly runcorn) .......... not totally satisfied with marriages found .... including one to an Alice Hamer and Hannah Morgan......in earlier censi in 1861 - a daughter Ann born 1837 turns up with a different surname in hickson, who 10 years previous is a step daughter to a Bickerstaff family in liverpool. Nothing is adding up for Samuel - Fred (1860) was a very late child, and cant tie in the daughter ... have tried various combos on free bmd and ancestry to try and find a marriage history etc, but am turning circles, chasing my tail like a rabid dog ........... Any light thrown on said matters would be appreciated Elaine ;-))

Hi Elaine With regards to the first bit of your posting - are they living together on the 1891 or 1901 cenus? Pen -x- It's ok Chuck...got them on the 1891 for ref x 1891 for REF Benjamin Hy Haynes abt 1833 Upper Canada, Canada Head West Derby Lancashire View Record Clara Haynes abt 1836 Preußen Wife West Derby Lancashire View Record Emily L Haynes abt 1876 West Derby, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire View Record Henry L Haynes abt 1870 West Derby, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire View Record Louisa I Haynes abt 1874 West Derby, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire Benjamin Llewellyn abt 1889 West Derby, Lancashire, England Grandson West Derby Lancashire View Record Frederick Llewellyn abt 1860 Toxteth Park Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son-in-law West Derby Lancashire View Record Frederick Llewellyn abt 1885 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Grandson West Derby Lancashire Source information: RG12/3001 Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: West Derby (Rural) ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Folio: 14 Page: 33 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6098111

Yes, they are all together on 1891 census: Name: Benjamin Hy Haynes Age: 58 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where Born: Upper Canada, Canada Civil parish: West Derby Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Source information: RG12/3001 Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: West Derby (Rural) ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Folio: 14 Page: 33 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6098111 Sorry, I should have included the 1891 census for reference. Bit out of practice :-)) Cheers Penelope x

Off to do the school run back in bit x

Cheers Pen x

1881 for Ref View Record Clarina Haynes abt 1837 (BS), Preußen Wife West Derby Lancashire View Record Emily C. Haynes abt 1877 West Derby, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire View Record Henry Haynes abt 1834 Canada Head West Derby Lancashire View Record Lewis H. Haynes abt 1870 West Derby, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire View Record Louisa Haynes abt 1874 West Derby, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire **View Record Mary A. Haynes abt 1868 Liverpool Daughter West Derby Lancashire Notes only at the mo Could this be Mary A. Haynes from the 1881 census Death entry - Name: Mary Llewellyn Birth Date: abt 1868 Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 22 District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 253 (click to see others on page)

Oh Pen .... Maybe a possibility mighten it !! I'll do some diggin ! ... Wonder if she died in Childbirth - (Benjamin born 1889?) or shortly afterwards ..

1871 for ref - View Record Benjamin H Haymes abt 1832 Canada Head West Derby Lancashire View Record Claria Haymes abt 1837 Preußen Wife West Derby Lancashire View Record Lewis H Haymes abt 1870 West Derby, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire View Record Mary Ann Haymes abt 1868 Liverpool Daughter West Derby Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Herbert abt 1861 West Derby, Lancashire, England Sister West Derby Lancashire Source information: RG10/3848 Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby ED, institution, or vessel: 52 Folio: 47 Page: 30 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 126 GSU Number: 841928 Unable to find a marriage at the mo. Think it's gonna be a case of going through the images, lol. Gonna try and marry everyone off. Can not make out the relationship of the Herbert child though..not sister...looks a bit like patient

Not ignoring you Pen, I'll be back during next 10 minutes are so :-))

No worries Hun x

Can't spot either of them on the 1861 or 51 x

1895 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference HAYNES Henry L MCKNIGHT Mary Everton, St. Chrysostom Liverpool 2095WD/5/118

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference HAYNES Emily C HORNBY Thomas H Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/93/290

SO SORRRRY everyone for disappearing like that. Phone ringing none stop and son came in from school. Bear with me whilst I read through and then I'll come back to you all :-) THANKS x Elaine ;-)

Kelly, Yep, that looks like Benjamin & Clara Haynes on 1901 .... and that is a definate possibility for Clara's death in 1909 ! THANK YOU xx Marie, Thankyou, both those Haynes marriages look definate poss's to me :-))) Brilliant, Cheers xxx ... will follow both of them through Pen, My biggest problem ! .. Not being able to locate any of them on 61 or 51. Have a feeling that Benjamin may have been in Canada prior to 1871 ... I'll re check the marriage indexes again for marriage between Fred Llewellyn & Mary Haynes :-) Not sure about Fred Llewellyn (1860) prior to 1891 ... so will have to rethink about him ... Thanks everyone, you've all been a terrific help :-) When you get so bogged down with one family and end up going round in circle's it really does help to know you can call on friends :-)) Really appreciate everyone's help x Elaine ;-))

Calling it a day for now Elaine...need to feed the monsters. Reckon your right and they either came over already married - during 1861 and 68 Or they came over during that period, met and married, lol. Best of luck Pen x

Thank you Pen x Really appreciate the help :-) I'm still on the trail of Fred Llewellyn b 1860 ..!! can only find ONE born around about that time, his parents are Samuel & Hannah :-(( Oh well.... Cheers Elaine ;-)

Just have an hour...so popped back. NOTES ONLY at the mo 1871 Matilda Lee abt 1813 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Head Twyford Shropshire Eliza Spooner abt 1811 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Sister Twyford Shropshire Fred Llewellyn abt 1862 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Grandson Twyford Shropshire Source information: RG10/2778 Registration district: Oswestry Sub-registration district: Knockin ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 106 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 3 GSU Number: 838840 Both ladies are widows Fred is a scholar *************************************** Another poss - 1881 View Record Fredrick Llewellyn abt 1860 L'Pool, Lancashire, England Head Liverpool Lancashire View Record Hannah Llewellyn abt 1812 L'Pool, Lancashire, England Mother Liverpool Lancashire View Record Jane Llewellyn abt 1880 L'Pool, Lancashire, England Daughter Liverpool Lancashire View Record Sarah Llewellyn abt 1862 Scotland Wife Liverpool Lancashire

Maybe Fred never married 'Mary' (?) I can not find the daughter Jane Llewellyn 1880 after the 1881 entry