Genealogy Chat

My Gtx3 Grandmother is causing me so many problems. I thought maybe if I shared her with all of you somebody might have a bright idea. I, and also a distant cousin in Oz have been unable to find the birth (parents etc) of Hannah Jennings c 1783 See below Ann Glos

What we know about Hannah Warner nee Jennings She existed In 1809/10 according to parish records she married John Warner at parish North Petherton on 26 June (the familyhistoryonline site in notes says it could be 1810) She and John had the following children: John 1811, Abraham 1812, Robert 1815 (who died), Susannah 1816, Jonathan 1817, Japheth 1818, Robert 1819, Christian (F) 1820, Jonathan 1825, James 1827, Samuel 1828. This makes it look as if 1810 is more likely. She was a witness at her son Robert’s (1819) marriage in 1840 when she signed with her mark. So maybe she could not read. 1841 census John Warner 66 shoemaker Hannah 55 Joseph 22 mason (think this should be Japheth) Christian 20 (female) James 15 Jane (could be June) Reading 75 (Don’t know who she is) George Cheevings 25 (likewise) 1851 census John Warner 77 H Warner 63 North Newton, North Petherton 1861 John Warner abt 1811 North Petherton head North Petherton Somerset John Warner abt 1773 North Curry (?) father North Petherton Somerset Hannah Warner abt 1791 North Petherton Somerset Mother North Petherton Somerset Abraham Warner abt 1841 North Petherton Somerset Son NP Somerset Maria Warner abt 1843 North Petherton Somerset daughter NP Somerset Hannah Warner died Dec Q 1869 Bridgewater 5c 287 cert ordered I do have a kind soul from on here who is going to look her up in the independent register as soon as she can. Parish registers have been checked, no mention of Hannah. Ann Glos

Which parish records? Its quite possible Hannah was baptised at home privately and the vicar/curate forgot to put it in the baptism register. Or she may have been baptised in a different parish, or when she was a child - as opposed to a baby. nell

Or she may have been married previously and Jennings is her first husband;s surname.

see, thank you Nell, food for thought there. i had not thought about Jennings maybe being a married name! so if she was not registered we will never find a link to her parents. It was North petherton parish records. Ann Glos If I don't come back for an hour I am off getting dinner, not ignoring anyone. Ann

May I ask if you have you checked the marriage entry of Hannah and John for marital status? When I first began my family history, I spent a long time searching for the origins of Mary Oman, to no avail. A couple of years later I managed to get to the appropriate record office and low and behold, Mary Oman was actually a young widow when she married my ancestor! Within about 10 minutes, I found death of her husband, bp of postumous child, first marriage, Mary's maiden name and baptism and all her siblings. I have several instances of young widows remarrying, so it is always to the forefront of my mind. Jay

Hello Ann, I don't know if this is of any use to you, but on Familysearch there is an Ann Reading christened on 4th August 1799, her parents were John and Jane Reading. The christening was in North Petherton, Somerset. John and Jane appear to have had quite a few children baptised there in the 1790s and 1800s. Ann and Hannah being interchangeable so to speak this could be your Hannah before she became a Jennings - I know the baptism is much later than you would expect, but children were not always baptised as infants. This might explain the Jane Reading on the 1841 census. Best wishes, Yvonne

thank you all, a lot to think about ther. just popped in while getting the dinner ready. On the parish register on Fhistoryonline it doesn't give her status, well it says status -of - for both of them, don't know what that means. yvonne thank you for the Reading census, that is useful, will look more deeply into it. Maybe I need to check if a Ann Reading married a somebody Jennings. Be back later, Ann Glos

Thinking about it Hannah can't be Ann reading because the ages would not match in the censuses and she would only have been 10/11 when hannah got married. Ann Glos

Ann/Hannah could be correct if she was baptised later on rather than as a baby Zoe

Do you know, I have seen that Hatree entry and wondered about it. But it has been and is the Hannah that has kept us going along that line as she always seemed to use Hannah. I had not lookd at Jane Reading unntil yesterday but it does seem to point more in that direction now doesn't it. thank you for the info re her mother Jane. Something else to 'hurt' my brain today. Again, thanks a lot. Ann Glos

I have looked at this and now think that Ozziebird is right. My Gtx3 Grandmother was Hanna/Hannah/Anne hatree or Musgrave. That has solved one problem with another teaser. Looking at it, I can't find a Hatree/Musgrave marriage, Jane was Musgrave when she married John Reading in1793, therefore I think Hannah or whatever she called herself was illigitimate and the father was John Hatree. But I need to look into that. nothing on FHonline unfortunately. (sigh!) Anyway, you were all great getting my brain working latterally. I slept well last night! Ann Glos

Hello Ann....your posts from 2006 are over 4 years old and I hope you are still in the system ! I think John Warner b/1773 North Curry married Anne (Hannah) Hatree b/1788 North Petherton on February 06, 1809 at North Petherton. Anne ( Hannah ) Hatree is the daughter of John Hatree and Jane Musgrave.

In 1861 census John and Hannah are living with their son John who is a widower, and 2 of his 3 children. A brother to John jr., Japheth, is living two doors away.

Hope you get this message.....this is my wife's line. I have a Warner booklet that I have prepared that I am happy to share with you.

Regards.....Bob on Vancouver Island.

Robert, best to remove your email as anyone can use it...Ann is still here and I will email her and let her know you have added :)

Thanks Bob and thanks Rose.

Rob there were two John Warners, both the same age, one married Anne Hatree, one ( my ancestor) married Hannah Jennings) And after all this time I amj no further forward with locating Hannah's birth. I know a good bit about the other John and Anne Hatree from his descendant who lives in Australia.

Thank you for your interest in this. I see this is your wifes line so we are related further back in the tree. Do you have the line back to the 16th century?

I have copied your e mail now, please remove it though for your own sake.

Ann
in Glos

I have seen in PR a bapt for a partner bapt just days before they get married, if they wasnt from parish and not listed in the book as been done.....also the parson needed to bump up his income...

That is interesting Kay, hadn't thought of looking close to the marriage. will have to have another look. to be honest she is in my mind as a wall of breeze blocks not brick Lol!! Two of us spent ages on it about 4 years ago and kept hitting brick walls. The family goes back to 15...(something can't quite remember without looking up) but she is a block in the middle!!

Hello Ann and glad to see you are still here. I was aware of the 2 John Warners & this still confuses me .... but the Hatree seems to fit better ( at least for now !! ).

I have some transcriptions for North Petherton and I have the Warner name starting around 1565....I will need to review to see if I can find more on the Warner - Jennings.

I will be updating my GR and Ancestry trees over the next couple of weeks and you can check to see the connection. So far I have two sistuations where a Warner married a Warner !!

I have some other projects for a couple of days...I should be able to get back here on Monday or Tuesday.

Regards....Bob on Vancouver Island.

Ann: Is this your John Warner? His parents were Jonathon Warner and Honor Warner.

John WARNER. Born in 1784 in North Petherton, Somerset. John was baptized in North Petherton, Somerset on 3 Oct 1784.

On 26 Jun 1809 when John was 25, he married Hannah JENNINGS, daughter of William JENNINGS & Mary WINN, in North Petherton, Somerset. Born in 1783 in North Petherton, Somerset. Hannah died in Outwood, Lying, Somerset on 7 Dec 1853, she was 70.

Jonathon & Honor's other son Jonathon, b/1785, is my wife's direct line.

Regards.....Bob on Vancouver Island.

Hi Bob,
I am more confused than ever now. I have always thought that Hannah was the daughter of William Jennings and Mary (Winn/Wynne) but have not been able to find proof. do you have official documented proof of this please.
That is OK so far I have no problem with that, and I agree she died in 1853. ( In the 1841 she is living with her daughter Hannah Webber and her husband William) and in the 1851 she was living with my Gt Grandfather Robert.)

I also agree John Warner (cordwainer/shoemaker) married Anne Hatree & John Warner (mine, labourer) married Hannah Jennings both in 1809.

My John Warner was born in 1778 according to his death cert. He died in 1838 aged 60 informant Hannah Warner widow.

However, you have posed another mystery now . From documented evidence sent to me by Bob Dyer in Australia( whose wife is a descendant of John who married Anne Hatree through son Japeth and Joanna.) My John Warner's parents were William Warner and Mary Fry. Can you tell me please what evidence you have that my John was the son of Jonathan and Honor?

Again, thank you for getting in touch. I look forward to hearing from you when you have finished your other projects.


You might find these interesting if you don't already have them:
From Parish records looked at at Somerset Record Office

3 Oct 1784 John son of Jonathan Warner and Honor
4 December 1785 John son of Jonathan Warner and Honor
16 March 1788 James son of Jonathan Warner and Honor
5 January 1791 Mary daughter of Jonathan Warner and Mary
23 May 1796 Jane daughter of Jonathan Warner and Honor

I also have as children of Jonathan and Honor from Bob Dyer:
Thomas 1792 died 1836, John (Jonathan) 1798, Elizabeth 6 April 1800