Genealogy Chat

I mustn't do your whole tree, must I???? I've seen a very likely marriage in 1857 for William and Elizabeth. Then I have found what is very likely to be Elizabeth's parents (or father and step-mum....you can never be sure of how long a couple have been married before researching!) living near Elizabeth and William in 1871. Am off to the DENTIST in a minute. Aaarrrgggghhhhhhh! If you want this info, just say.....or if you want to leave it until you have the birth cert for Alfred (which is, of course, what you SHOULD do!!).......then I won't post!! lol Merry (nerves are getting worse!)

Being 'a local girl' I can tell you Waltham Cross, Enfield and Edmonton are all close together - if that is of any help. Lyndsey

It may not be so bad!! You will get her maiden name from Alfred's birth cert and may find her father was in the army or something.....she might have returned here when she was very young! I expect she married William in this country. Merry

Just noticed you asked when the 1901 census was taken.......31st March! Hence he is still single! Merry

Merry you are a star and thanks everyone else too. Gilbraltar as a birth place? Does this tell me anything? Probably going to be quite difficult if I try to research the wife? Sorry I am very new to this!

This is your Alfred's birth reg: Name: Alfred Robinson Year of Registration: 1878 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Grantham (1837-1933) County: Leicestershire, Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 530 Merry

I would say the William you found is not the right one (though, maybe if that's a new wife then she might have given the details and got them wrong!) Maybe you need to keep trying the 1891 census for Alfred's younger siblings, who I have not yet been able to trace :o(( Merry

I have a great x 2 Grandmother, she was born in the staffs area 1838 is there on the 1841,51 61,71, 81,91 then for some reason ( I will probably never know) in 1901 she's in Sheffield! don't discount anyone just because they aren't in the area you expected. Linda

Julia, I have posted William Robinson with his son from the 1881 census. I am very sure indeed that this is the right family. Every census up to 1881 William Robinson says he was born 1835/36 in Warrington. After 1881 I have not been able to trace the family other than Alfred in 1901 (who is def the correct one as he is at the right address!! - In 12 years of searching I have hardly ever seen someone actually telling the truth and living at the address they gave on a marriage record - you are very lucky!!) I would say it's possible (only possible) William was not alive in 1901. Just because it doesn't say he is dead in 1901 doesn't mean he isn't! Merry

Alfred Robinson was 22 at the time of his marriage on 8th April 1901. He was an engine fitter. He lived at Branscomb Villa, Gilbert Street, Waltham Cross, Edmonton, Hertford. Father given as William Robinson, iron moulder, journeyman on this marraige cert. I have searched high and low for a William Robinson that fits on the 1901 census. It could be: William Robinson aged 64, iron and steel moulder in Sheffield. Wife, Sarah E Robinson aged 42. William Robinson's birth place is given here on the 1901 census as starby(sp??), Derby and Sarah's Liverpool, Lancs. Is this likely the right William Robinson? I assumed William Robinson was near his son in Edmonton in 1901.

Thank you Reggie! Perhaps I just haven't finished yet?? I can't find any of them in 1891, not even Alfred! Never mind sorting out whether William was alive or not in 1901! Merry

Nudge......seems a shame for Monty's efforts to go unnoticed........ Reg

Gibraltar!! That will give you a task! Merry

1881: William ROBINSON Head M Male 45 Warrington Iron Moulder Elizabeth ROBINSON Wife M Female 41 Giberalter James ROBINSON Son M Male 23 Grantham, Lincoln, England Iron Moulder Fanny ROBINSON Wife (Sons) M Female 21 Peterborough Joseph ROBINSON Son Male 10 Nottingham, England Scholar Edward ROBINSON Son Male 7 Grantham Scholar Albert ROBINSON Son Male 5 Grantham Scholar >>>>>Alfred ROBINSON Son Male 3 Grantham Scholar Agnes ROBINSON Daur Female 5 m Grantham 10 Wyles Buildings, Spittlegate, Lincoln, England Merry

This is Alfred in 1901 at the address given for the marriage: Alfred Robinson abt 1879 Grantham, Lincolnshire, England Boarder Enfield Middlesex He is an engine fitter. Merry

You haven't answered the query about Alfred's occupation.........or whether you have found him on any census. Reg

No I don't have birth cert etc yet, early days in researching this branch of family. Thanks for advice.

1901 census was 31 March 1901. My grandfather was in the navy and away in China at the Boxer Rebellion during 1901 but I found a website somewhere listing ships away - I'm sure there'll be something out there for army personnel. Do you have your lad's birth certificate to verify mum and her age? Jill

Julia .No its not necessarily true that a marriage cert WILL state deceased for the father even tho he was. My grandfather married his first wife in 1898.his father was named but not deceased. Grandad ,by then a widower,married my nan in 1909 and on that cert his dad is named and deceased, logically i searched ,and even bought a wrong death cert< between those dates. The last time grt grandad had been seen was on the 1881 census &&&& in a Freebmd update I suddenly found his widow marrying again in 1893!!. & further investigation found Grt grandad had died in 1884 aged 37 from TB. SO grandad couldnt have been asked when he married first in 1898 whether his dad was still alive and so he only stated his dads name

You need to find the son with his parents on an earlier census (1881 is free) and find out if the birth info for the parents tallies with that for the people you found in Sheffield............. Have you actually found Alfred on 1901? Where was he born? What was his occupation? (On the marriage cert) Reg