Genealogy Chat

Hi Dawn I would agree with Elaine that they are two different families! Here are the details from the 1881 Census: Thomas and Martha nee Rigden: Thomas SCOTT Head M Male 48 Waltham, Kent, England Farmer Of 60 Acres Employing 3 Men Martha SCOTT Wife M Female 43 Whitstable, Kent, England Farmer Wife Thomas F. SCOTT Son U Male 20 Waltham, Kent, England Farmer Son George J. SCOTT Son U Male 17 Waltham, Kent, England Farmer Son Martha Susan SCOTT Daur U Female 14 Waltham, Kent, England Farmers Daur Mary Ann SCOTT Daur Female 6 Waltham, Kent, England Farmers Daur John A. SCOTT Son Male 4 Waltham, Kent, England Farmers Son Lilly J. SCOTT Daur Female 2 Waltham, Kent, England Farmers Daur Lidia Ann SCOTT Niece U Female 17 Waltham, Kent, England Visitor Farmers Daur James RIGDEN Father In Law M Male 81 Whitstable, Kent, England Boarder Retired Farmer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Whiteacre Census Place Waltham, Kent, England Family History Library Film 1341227 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0953 / 48 Page Number 8 ---- This is Thomas and Kezia nee Johnson: Thomas SCOTT Head M Male Ag Lab Kezia M. SCOTT Wife M Female 38 Wickham Martha SCOTT Daur U Female 18 Bridge John H.W. SCOTT Son Male 15 Leaveland Ag Lab Fanny SCOTT Daur Female 12 Littlebourne James SCOTT Son Male 11 Littlebourne, Kent, England Scholar Henry SCOTT Son Male 9 Canterbury, Kent, England Scholar Sarah J. SCOTT Daur Female 5 Godmersham, Kent, England Kezia M. SCOTT Daur Female 3 Godmersham, Kent, England Mary Ann J. SCOTT Daur Female 2 Chilham, Kent, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Haulk House Census Place Sheldwich, Kent, England Family History Library Film 1341230 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0967 / 52 Page Number 1 ---- In 1871 Thomas and Kezia were on Piece 966 - cannot supply full reference as I do not have access to Ancestry, just the index through National Archives. (Thomas and Martha were on the reference you supplied.) FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl has the marriage of Thomas SCOTT and Martha RIGDEN at Bridge registration district in Kent in the December quarter of 1860 Volume 2a Page 1013. Also at Bridge in the June quarter of 1866 there is the marriage of Thomas SCOTT and Keziah M JOHNSON (vol. 2a page 1020). Hope this helps! Lynne x

Thanks Elaine You have been a really big help

and the address in 1881 and 1891 is also Whiteacre Farm If you look at the address in 1871 the name of the house is given as Farm House - but the family above him live in Whiteacre So would suggest that all these match.. and that Thomas and Keziah are a completely different family.

1861 jane scott 58 thomas 28 charles 17 lavinia 19 at white acre

ok in 1841-51 thomas scott 60 jane scott 49 mary ann scott 20 thomas scott 19 ellen scott 15 cassandra scott 14 john scott 11 all at white acre farm

1871 census found Thomas and Kezia - with their two children John (3) and Fanny (1) and Kezia's daughter Martha (6) This must be the other Thomas then. Jill The odd thing is though that in 1881 with Thomas and Martha is father in law - James Rigden (b. Whitstable, retired farmer) aged 81. So he's Martha's father?

If you go back to the 1861 census you can see there are two Thomas born about the same time. Thomas Scott abt 1832 Waltham, Kent, England Servant Goodnestone Kent and Thomas Scott abt 1833 Waltham, Kent, England Son Waltham Kent

Add to Elaine's message John aged 14 and Lily aged 12. I can see Thomas and Martha and family in 1881 and 1891 at Whiteacre in Waltham. Jill

I would say its a different Thomas - I can´t see any connection between the two to say it would be the same man, apart from both being born in Waltham.

1891 Martha Scott abt 1838 Whitstable, Kent, England Wife Waltham Kent Thomas Scott abt 1833 Waltham, Kent, England Head Waltham Kent Thomas Scott abt 1861 Waltham, Kent, England Son Waltham Kent address Whiteacre

this is driving me mad now so is this the same thomas or different??

elaine you could be right i know thats them and i hope that the thomas is the same thomas i just can not find any other details on them other than the census

sorry - I´m getting confused now - 1891 is different family ! and matches this 1881 family Fanny Scott abt 1869 Littlebourne Daughter Sheldwich Kent Henry Scott abt 1872 Canterbury, Kent, England Son Sheldwich Kent James Scott abt 1870 Littlebourne, Kent, England Son Sheldwich Kent John H.W. Scott abt 1866 Leaveland Son Sheldwich Kent Kezia M. Scott abt 1843 Wickham Wife Sheldwich Kent Kezia M. Scott abt 1878 Godmersham, Kent, England Daughter Sheldwich Kent Martha Scott abt 1863 Bridge Daughter Sheldwich Kent Mary Ann J. Scott . abt 1879 Chilham, Kent, England Daughter Sheldwich Kent Sarah J. Scott abt 1876 Godmersham, Kent, England Daughter Sheldwich Kent Thomas Scott Head Sheldwich Kent address Haulk House

Am I wrong here but it appears that in 1871 and 1881 he was married to Martha - and then in 1891 to Keziah which could have been a second marriage ??? 1871 Elizabeth Scott abt 1869 Waltham, Kent, England Daughter Waltham Kent Geo James Scott abt 1864 Waltham, Kent, England Son Waltham Kent Martha Scott abt 1838 Whitstable, Kent, England Wife Waltham Kent Martha S Scott abt 1867 Waltham, Kent, England Daughter Waltham Kent Thos Scott abt 1833 Waltham, Kent, England Head Waltham Kent Thos Frances abt 1861 Waltham, Kent, England Son Waltham Kent address Farm House 1881 George J. Scott abt 1864 Waltham, Kent, England Son Waltham Kent John A. Scott abt 1877 Waltham, Kent, England Son Waltham Kent Lidia Ann Scott abt 1864 Waltham, Kent, England Niece Waltham Kent Lilly J. Scott abt 1879 Waltham, Kent, England Daughter Waltham Kent Martha Scott abt 1838 Whitstable, Kent, England Wife Waltham Kent Martha Susan Scott abt 1867 Waltham, Kent, England Daughter Waltham Kent Mary Ann Scott abt 1875 Waltham, Kent, England Daughter Waltham Kent Thomas Scott abt 1833 Waltham, Kent, England Head Waltham Kent Thomas F. Scott abt 1861 Waltham, Kent, England Son Waltham Kent James Rigden abt 1800 Whitstable, Kent, England Father in Law Waltham Kent address Whiteacre 1891 David Scott abt 1882 Molash, Kent, England Son St Mary Northgate Kent John J Scott abt 1887 Faversham, Kent, England Grandson St Mary Northgate Kent Kezia Scott abt 1842 Wickham, Kent, England Wife St Mary Northgate Kent Kezia M Scott abt 1878 Godmersham, Kent, England Daughter St Mary Northgate Kent Mary Scott abt 1879 Chilham, Kent, England Daughter St Mary Northgate Kent Percy J Scott abt 1889 Waltham, Kent, England Son St Mary Northgate Kent Richard Scott abt 1887 Crundale, Kent, England Son St Mary Northgate Kent Sarah J Scott abt 1876 Godmersham, Kent, England Daughter St Mary Northgate Kent Thomas Scott abt 1825 Waltham, Kent, England Head St Mary Northgate Kent

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 964; Folio: 42; Page: 11; GSU roll: 827249.

a bigamist i wish i knew maybe i would get some where i know kaziah s maiden name was johnson she had a child call kaziah martha johnson. and the martha had a child called thomas rigden and all this going on at white acre farm in waltham

Can you give the 1871 census reference - can´t see it.

Do you think he was a bigamist? Exciting. I'll have a look - I live in Whitstable so bits of it should be familiar! Jill

One of my gr grandfather's seems to have married 3 times - two of the wives are Elizabeth and one is called 'Lixey' on a census return !! But their ages and places of birth differ so I assume they are different women. Still to find marriage certs - what a nightmare! Many sympathies and good luck with your one! Jill

im not sure but it seems like 1 Thomas scott but 2 wifes and 2 sets of children maybe im doing some thing wrong