Genealogy Chat

hi i am fairly new to tracing my family, and i appear to be stuck, could anyone please give me some advice.... i have managed to trace back to my grandmother, and have found out her siblings and parents names.....but....how on earth do i trace them? they were both born around 1864, and although i have my gt grand fathers full name, i only have my gt grandmothers christian name........how do i find records of her......i dont know where either of them were born.......and can anyone please tell me, why they were born in one place, but reg in another 100 miles away......it is very confusing....lol..... i just seem to be going round in circles.......and am getting to the point of giving up, because i dont seem to be getting anywhere.... HELP....LOL

Don't give up! Can you give us details and names, that would help. Deb

ok...lol... right.... my grandmother was Margaretta Williams......dob..1890...born in Swansea Wales....reg Bristol.... her father was thomas williams....dob 1864 mother was Emma.......dob 1864 would it give me details of margarettas parents on her birth cert?

You say your grandmother was Margaretta Williams......dob..1890...born in Swansea Wales....reg Bristol.... If she was born in Swansea it is more likely that she would have been registered in Swansea. Are you sure that you have found the correct registration? Her birth certificate will show parents names, including mothers maiden name, and fathers occupation.

Jane, Do you have Margaretta's marriage cert? Rose

1891 census for info - I can see the Bristol connection now!! Emma Williams abt 1866 Bristol Wife Llanwonno Glamorgan Margaretta Williams abt 1889 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llanwonno Glamorgan Thomas Williams abt 1866 Bristol Head Llanwonno Glamorgan Thomas Williams abt 1887 Bristol Son Llanwonno Glamorgan

Is the family in 1891? Name: Margaretta Williams Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Emma Gender: Female Where born: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Civil parish: Llanwonno Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret Town: Penrhiwceibr County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration district: Pontypridd Sub-registration district: Llanwonno ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Florence Bryant 14 Emma Williams 25 Margaretta Williams 2 Thomas Williams 25 Thomas Williams 4 Florence Bryant is listed as sister in law so that could be Emma's sister. Rose

This looks to be her birth: Name: Margaretta Williams Year of Registration: 1889 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun DISTRICT: Swansea County: United Kingdom Volume: 11a Page: 797 Rose

1891 census also shows a Florence Bryant living with the family, born c1877 Bristol, listed as Sister-in-law This would fit in with the following POSSIBLE marriage from freeBMD Marriages Jun 1884 BRYANT Emma Bristol 6a 130 WILLIAMS Thomas Bristol 6a 130

Emma and Florence in 1881: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Alfred BRYANT Head M Male 44 St George, Gloucester, England Hay Dealer Emma BRYANT Wife M Female 39 St George, Gloucester, England None Emma BRYANT Daur U Female 16 St George, Gloucester, England None Batilda BRYANT Daur U Female 11 St George, Gloucester, England Scholar Henry BRYANT Son U Male 9 St George, Gloucester, England Scholar Alfred BRYANT Son U Male 7 St George, Gloucester, England Scholar Annie BRYANT Daur U Female 4 St George, Gloucester, England Scholar Florance BRYANT Daur U Female 3 St George, Gloucester, England Scholar Joseph BRYANT Son U Male 6 m St George, Gloucester, England Source Information: Dwelling Redfield Rd Census Place Bristol St George, Gloucester, England Rose

this is what i have Name Margaretta Williams Relation to Head of Family Daughter Age Last Birthday 11 Sex F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Condition as to Marriage Where Born Swansea Glam Address Thurstons Barton Civil Parish Bristol Rural District Town or Village or Hamlet Ecclesiastical Parish St George Parliamentary Borough or Division Bristol East County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Bristol Administrative County Bristol Ward of Municipal Borough or Urban District St George Language Infirmity

Elaine, Ooops! Will delete that. Rose

i just cant understand why she was born in swansea but reg in Bristol?....lol..... this was from 1901 census

Maybe this is Thomas in 1881: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability George WILLIAMS Head M Male 43 St George, Gloucester, England Coal Miner Elizabeth WILLIAMS Wife M Female 43 Bristol Elizabeth WILLIAMS Daur U Female 19 Bristol Cotton Weaver Alice WILLIAMS Daur U Female 17 St George, Gloucester, England Cotton Weaver Thomas WILLIAMS Son U Male 15 St George, Gloucester, England Shoemaker George WILLIAMS Son Male 14 St George, Gloucester, England Shoemaker Albert WILLIAMS Son Male 13 St George, Gloucester, England Coal Miner Robert WILLIAMS Son Male 10 St George, Gloucester, England Scholar Emma WILLIAMS Daur Female 5 St George, Gloucester, England Scholar Eliza WILLIAMS Daur Female 3 St George, Gloucester, England Rosina WILLIAMS Daur Female 2 St George, Gloucester, England Samuel WILLIAMS Son Male 9 m St George, Gloucester, England Source Information: Dwelling Burchills Green Census Place Bristol St George, Gloucester, England Family History Library Film 1341601 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2493 / 100 Page Number 2 Rose

Jane, what you have given above is from the 1901 census- this is the transcript Emma Williams abt 1866 Bristol, St George Wife Bristol Gloucestershire Emma Williams abt 1892 Mountain Ash, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Bristol Gloucestershire Margaretta Williams abt 1890 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Bristol Gloucestershire Sarah Williams abt 1900 Bristol, St George Daughter Bristol Gloucestershire Thomas Williams abt 1866 Bristol, St George Head Bristol Gloucestershire Thomas Williams abt 1887 Bristol, St George Son Bristol Gloucestershire

yes elaine you have it....... so where do i go from here in tracing back further?

She wasn´t born in Swansea and registered in Bristol. The extract you found is from the 1901 census which says she was born in Swansea but was LIVING in Bristol at the time of the census. This appears to be her birth registration (found by Portland Rose) Name: Margaretta Williams Year of Registration: 1889 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun DISTRICT: Swansea County: United Kingdom Volume: 11a Page: 797 A copy of her birth certificate will confirm parents names, will give you mothers maiden name (which is probably Bryant) and will give you fathers occupation. With this information you will be able to move back through the earlier censuses.

goodness rose.......... you might be right. how on earth did you get it that quick...i have been searching everyday for 2 hours ....lol...and i have gone round in circles

Jane, Where's the birth in Bristol? I don't see anything around that time. Rose

on her grave ( margaretta's ) it gives dates of born 1890..died 1959 aged 69