Genealogy Chat

on the 7th november 1841, parish church, dudley, between, thomas jacobs, minor, bachelor, miner, son of henry,(deceased), and, mary ann hartland, of full age, spinster, daughter of thomas,(dec) both residents of woodside, parish of dudley at time of marriage. i,ve searched and exhausted all sites accessible to me, could some-one please look up the birth dates of the bride and groom, and, if its not asking too much, any info whatsoever on the both sets of parents . ed.

Ed, you would have to buy the marriage cert to find that info, her are the details. Mary Ann Hartland Year of Registration: 1841 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Dudley (To 1912) County: Staffordshire, Worcestershire Volume: 18 Page: 337 Roy

It looks likely that Thomas Jacobs was living at Black Brook, Dudley, aged 19, a coal miner in 1841 census.(I'm assuming that he was a minor (ie under 21) rather than a miner - although he may well have been both). Porkie Pie: Ed has obviously looked at the PR marriage record (or has the certificate already) to have the information he has given: the certificate is going to be a copy of that, with the added possibility of transcription errors. What is it going to add (except a cost of £7)?

There is a Mary Hartland, aged 21, living alone at Holly Hall, Dudley in 1841 census too. Not much help, but I would search the PR for Dudley, St Thomas for a baptism record for her. IGI has a Mary Hartland b1819, father Jesse, and that family is also to be found in 1841 census. I don't see a third Mary in Dudley. In 1851 census Thomas gives his age as 28 (1823) and Mary Ann 30 (1821), both born Dudley.

Will this help narrow the birth age down? England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Name: Thomas Jacobs Estimated birth year: abt 1810 Year of Registration: 1875 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 65 District: Newcastle Upon Tyne County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 14 oops! birth YEAR...

Wasn't Thomas Jacobs was already dead in 1841? Sorry: confusing names! But he couldn't have been a minor on marriage if he was born 1810.

Father Henry was! ???

1851 census Class: HO107; Piece: 2033; Folio: 31; Page: 10 Name Birth Year Birthplace Relation Civil parish County Hannah M Jacobs abt 1843 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Dudley Staffordshire Mary Ann Jacobs abt 1821 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Wife Dudley Staffordshire Sarah Jacobs abt 1846 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Dudley Staffordshire Thomas Jacobs abt 1823 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Head Dudley Staffordshire Thomas Jacobs abt 1847 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son Dudley Staffordshire Address Woodside Dudley

Duh! (See above): but we have nothing to connect Thomas of Dudley with Newcastle, and he would have been of full age on marriage in 1841 if he was born 1810.

Yep, your right Clive :-) Looks like Pete has got it??

wow, thanks for the responses. its birth info on bride and groom which i,m seeking, also any details on the two sets of parents. i,ve tracked the newly weds thru the census years but really would like info in the early years i do have the marriage cert and it is from that, which info i have supplied

The only female Jacobs I can see living in Dudley of an age to be Thomases mother is Henrietta Jacobs, 38, FS (female servant) - again from 1841.

Could the marriage witnesses provide any clues?

The only Jacobs couple I can see having children in Dudley around the time of Thomas' birth were a John and Hannah. Maybe Thomas made up a father named Henry? Perhaps he was illegitimate? Maybe somebody could check NBI for the detath of Henry?

Don't know if you have looked at... IGI Batch Numbers for Worcester, England http://freepages.genealogy(.)rootsweb com hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyWorcester. scroll down to DUDLEY children of Thomas and Mary Jacobs are there.... worth another look for birth for Thomas??

gud onyers, youze all are bonzer by crikey.

and the same right back at ya... ;-) from IGI... MARY ANN HARTLAND Marriages: Spouse: THOMAS JACOBS Family Marriage: 07 NOV 1841 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M040143 1839 - 1841 0378773 Film NONE M040143 1841 - 1842 0378774 Film NONE ********** MARIA HARTLAND Female Christening: 10 JUN 1832 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England Parents: Father: THOMAS HARTLAND Family Mother: MARIA Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C040144 1825 - 1828 0378767 Film 6901851 Film C040144 1828 - 1833 0378769 Film NONE C040144 1833 0378770 Film NONE *** THOMAS HARTLAND Male Marriages: Spouse: MARIA THOMAS Marriage: 02 APR 1821 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M040144 1763 - 1791 0378762 Film 6901192 Film **********

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch HENRY JACOBS Male Event(s): Birth: 15 JAN 1818 Christening: 07 FEB 1819 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England Parents: Father: JOHN JACOBS Family Mother: HANNAH Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C040143 1813 - 1820 0378765 Film 6901851 Film C040143 1820 - 1823 0378766 Film NONE C040143 1823 - 1825 0378767 Film NONE *************

Sorry Ed, I've searched all the Dudley resources I know of (I've ancestors in Dudley myself so I've an idea what's available online) and I've been unable to find baptisms for either of your rellies. The Dudley St Thomas PRs are complete on the IGI as far as I am aware, so your baptisms should be there if they existed. I have seen the films of the original PRs earlier this year and I don't recall any gaps in the records. baptisms 1813-1825 C040143,1825-1833 C040144 marriages 1763-1834 M040144 As I mentioned in my previous post, a father's name was often made up to 'save face'. Admitting you were illegitimate to the vicar marrying you may have been embarrassing? Regarding the Henrietta found in 1841, Henrietta is the female version of Henry......??? Henrietta was not born in the county. The likely looking Thomas Jacobs found in 1841 aged 19 was not born in the county either but you only had to be born a couple of miles from Dudley to be born in Staffordshire. The Hartland name seems more popular in nearby Sedgley which comes under Staffordshire, so that's something to bear in mind. Sorry I couldn't be of any further help.

again, more thanks to you. babz,yuuzz is bonzer ! gud on yer mate!!!! so, no further forward huh.