Genealogy Chat

Len, While I was looking for William.... This is Alice Matilda Baulch' Father Edward, before she was born in 1856, before Edward married Harriet Barnard? With Edwards parents John and Alice Baulch. 1851 England Census Name: Edward Baulch Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Son Father's name: John Mother's name: Alice Gender: Male Where born: Langport, Somerset, England Civil parish: Langport Town: Langport County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: Registration district: Langport Sub-registration district: Somerton ED, institution, or vessel: 5a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 63 Household Members: Name Age John Baulch 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1797 Relation: Head Where born: Staple Fitzpaine, Somerset, England Alice Baulch 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1798 Relation: Wife Where born: Combe St Nicholas, Somerset, England Sarah Baulch 28 Where born: Langport, Somerset, England Edward Baulch 26 Where born: Langport, Somerset, England <<< Eliza Baulch 23 Where born: Langport, Somerset, England Frederick Baulch 21 Where born: Langport, Somerset, England Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1926; Folio: 339; Page: 16; GSU roll: 221083. Babz

Len I'm certain this is the birth for 'William E Bolt' (Edwin and Alice' first born) But ....I cannot find baby William in the 1881 census! England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 Name: William Edward Bolt Year of Registration: 1880 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Hendon County: Greater London, Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 155 Babz

Judith, you'll never know lol My Aunt Ethel, never used her first name either, She liked her middle name better than her first. Eventually dropped her first name altogether. No wonder we have problems finding them! Babz:-)

To briefly take the conversation back to the two christian names issue, I too have someone whose birth, censuses and death show a short form of a name, but a longer, more formal version appears on the marriage cert. In my case it is my grandma who was named after a succesful race horse called Lily Agnes! As that is what her birth and baptism were both registered with it was her official name, and she was always known as Lily in the family. However she married as Lilian, so like your dad it was a case of lengthening her official name rather than shortening it. In nan's case I think it may have been because she had been in service in a gentleman's club where her employer decided to call her Lilian, or I suppose it may have been an attempt to impress the in laws :-)

Len... Strange... Can't find your Granddad 'Edwin' in 1881 on Ancestry, tried LDS .... this is' Charles' Bolt visiting with your Alice!! .... ..... where was baby William ?? Household Record 1881 British Census Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Martha Jane PIERCY Head W Female 56 Portishead, Somerset, England Restaurant Keeper Edith W. PIERCY Dau U Female 27 Hull, York, England Assistant To Restaurant Keeper Paul PERRINS Visitor M Male 39 Paris BS, France Lay Deacon (Scrip R) Charles BOLT Visitor M Male 24 Blandford, Dorset, England Commission Agent Alice M. BOLT Visitor M Female 24 Langport, Somerset, England Source Information: Dwelling 36 Up Maudlin St Census Place Bristol St James In, Gloucester, England Family History Library Film 1341596 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2475 / 60 Page Number 5 Babz

going to take another look at 1881... see if I can track down Edwin and baby William. Have you found Edwin in 1881? Babz

Len.. Your Grandma Alice, aged 5, with her siblings and parents. Also Alice' Nanna Harriet Barnard. You now have the maiden name of Alice' Mum (Harriet) before she married Edward Baulch 1861 England Census Name: Alice Matilda Baulch Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Edward Mother's name: Harriet Gender: Female Where born: Langport, Somerset, England Civil parish: Langport Town: Langport County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Langport Sub-registration district: Langport ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Edward Baulch 36 Head Where born: Langport, Somerset, England Harriet Baulch 36 Wife Where born: Langport, Somerset, England (Maiden Name Barnard?) John Edward Baulch 6 Son Alice Matilda Baulch 5 Daughter <<<<< Emily Augusta Baulch 2 Harriet Barnard 77 Relation: Mother-in-law Where born: Langport, Somerset, England Sabina Cattle 16 Servant Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1630; Folio: 8; Page: 9; GSU roll: 542842. Babz

Nothing for 1871 .... ;-) Babz

Len... Your Grandmother Alice M Bolt not with hubby Edwin in 1881. she's visiting! I'm having trouble finding hubby Edwin in 1881....found a Edwin Percy !! you might want to look into that one. Look at the Surname of the Head in this household your Grandma Alice, is visiting. 1881 England Census Name: Alice M. Bolt Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Langport, Somerset, England Civil parish: Bristol St James IN County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: 36 Up Maudlin St Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Bristol Sub-registration district: St James ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Martha Jane Piercy 56 Head Where born: Portishead, Somerset, England Edith W. Piercy 27 Daughter Alice M. Bolt 24 Visitor <<< Charles Bolt 24 Visitor Paul Perrins 39 Visitor Where born: Paris Bs, France Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2475; Folio: 60; Page: 5; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341596. Babz +++++++++++++++++++

Your Grandparents Marriage Name: Edwin Bolt Year of Registration: 1879 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Bath County: Avon, Somerset Volume: 5c Page: 953 Name: Alice Matilda Baulch Year of Registration: 1879 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Bath County: Avon, Somerset Volume: 5c Page: 953 Babz +++++++++++++++++++++++

Your Grandparents Edwin and Alice and their children.....in 1891 1891 England Census Name: Edwin Bolt Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Alice M Gender: Male Where born: Blandford, Dorset, England Civil parish: Edmonton Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Edmonton ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edwin Bolt 35 Head Alice M Bolt 35 Wife William E Bolt 11 Son (b1880) Cecil R Bolt 9 Son Ralph B Bolt 6 Son Ethel M Bolt 2 Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1083; Folio 68; Page 10; GSU roll: 6096193. Babz ++++++++++++++++++++

Hi Len, No problems. don't know if you have these? I hope you can copy and paste? lol If not, send me your email address (click on my blue name) I'll send them to you - one - at a time - you can print them out that way. What-ever's easier for you. Birth record for your Dad ... Name: Percy Ray Bolt Year of Registration: 1896 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Edmonton County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 437 Babz ++++++++++++++++++++++++

Babz in Oz Hello Babz Thank you for your offer of further help if I need it. I think I will be needing quite a bit of help as I have not got a clue what I am doing. The problem is when I know people are busy with there own research I do not like to bother them by asking for help with mine. Anyway, yes I am trying to find information on my father's family and also on my mother's. I have found out some information from the 1901 census, date of birth's but that is all. Sadly I was born late in life and most of my parent's sister's and brother's and my grandparent's had died. My father never talked about his family to me and my mother died when I was two year's old so I do not know much about her family although I remember three aunt's, one on my father's side and two on my mother's. So I think that leave's me with around ten member's of mum and dad's family that I never knew and therefore I would like to find out about them. Anyway it will keep me busy. Well thank you again for your offer of help, take care. Best Wishes Len

Hello again Len. Thankyou for your nice reply. I'm so pleased that Pete has given you information you can continue with and hopefully you'll come back to us and let us know how you went? Feel free to make contact off the GR boards (click on my blue name) or add to this thread/request ... if I can help in any way, I will be pleased to. Do you have/need to find your Dad's family in any other census? or, are you mainly looking at finding his Service records ... Babz :-)

Babz in Oz Re ww1 record's I am so sorry I forgot to answer your question regarding the 1901 census. Yes this is my father's family and once again thank you so much for your help. Len

Babz in Oz Re WW1 record's. Hello Babz Thank you so much for getting in touch with me regarding my search for information on my father's war record. A very kind gentleman named Peter got in touch with me and posted a copy of the WW1 medal record on the board and I believe I have found information that relate's to my father so now I have some information to take to Kew. At the moment I think I will wait for the weather to improve before I go as it is a bit of a journey from where I live and as I will be going by public transport it is not the kind of weather to be hanging around waiting for buse's and train's. For the time beeing I will take your advice and see what I can come up with on line in the warmth of my home. Once again thank you and take care. Best Wishes Len

Pete in Wiltshire Re WW1 medal record's. Hello Peter No I do not mind you spoiling my track record It was nice while it lasted. However I would like to thank you so much for the information you posted on the tip's board. I must admit I am struggling with my research and I am not afraid to admit I find it hard to take thing's in but because of people like you who have given me there help and support it give's me the encouragement to carry on. I am over the moon as I think the medal's record show's my father, Percy Bolt, Regiment 9170. I have eliminated two that died and as my father's middle name began with the letter R for Ray that elimanate's the other two. Once again thank you, you have made my day. Best Wishes Len

any chance this is your Dad and Grandparents in 1901 Len? I'm putting it on for reference- just in case we find anything. 1901 England Census Name: Percy R Bolt Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1897 Relation: Son Father's name: Edwin Mother's name: Alice M Gender: Male Where born: Edmonton, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Edmonton Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Edmonton ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 53 Household Members: Name Age Edwin Bolt 44 Where born: Blandford, Dorset, England Alice M Bolt 44 Where born: Langport, Somerset, England Willm E Bolt 21 Cecil R Bolt 19 Ralph B Bolt 16 Ethel M Bolt 12 Lilian Bolt 10 Leonard Bolt 6 Percy R Bolt 4 << William Brown 26 Visitor Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1266; Folio: 87; Page: 9. Babz

From Documentsonline Medal card of Bolt, Richard Percy William Corps: 14th Hussars Rank: Second Lieutenant... Medal card of Bolt, Percy G A Corps: Royal Sussex Regiment Regiment No: 2077 Rank: Private... Medal card of Bolt, Percival D (CWGC Died) Corps: Rifle Brigade Regiment No: P/1087 Rank: Private Medal card of Bolt, Percy (CWGC died) Corps: Scottish Rifles Regiment No: 8576 Rank: Private... Medal card of Bolt, Percy Corps: The Queen's Regiment Regiment No: 9170 Rank: Private... The full details of the last of the list are as follows: Medal card of Bolt, Percy Corps Regiment No Rank The Queen's Regiment 9170 Private Royal Fusiliers GS/63059 Private For £3.50 you can download his medal card record. If this is the right man you now have 2 possible records to check as and when you get to Kew. Pete

Hi Len I thought the same! on official document's anyway. Would be strange if you put Len instead of Leonard. I know I've never put Barbie/Babs in place of Barbara ( use Babz on GR, don't tell anyone:-) In regards to your question. I would try to get more info to take to Kew before you decide to make the trip. Have you looked at the National Archives site and the Commonwealth War Graves site? You might be lucky finding the service records of Percy/Percival. Sounds like you would need to search for him using both names!? Have you found any info 'in the comfort of your own home' as they say. Good Luck Len! Babz