Genealogy Chat

thank you, All theories welcome. I might just get to the bottom of this one day! Ann Simcox caused juat as much confusion with her marriages and step childrent too :( Ancestors eh??

Hi Linda, The Baptism that Elizabeth found for Ann Simcox in 1831 has Joseph and Esther Simcox as her parents. There is a Joseph Simcox baptised in 1796 in the IGI, also a Mary Ann Simcox in 1802, both with parents William and Hannah Simcox. If these are correct for your family, it is possible that Ann Simcox was therefore Mary Simcox/Bell/Partridge's niece. Ann may have put William Simcox as her father on her marriage certificate because she knew William Partridge as her father, but also knew her surname was Simcox, so she might have got confused. Just a theory, at any rate. :-) Chris

thanks again. I can now try and work out wether William Simcox was the father of Ann

Thank you, you lot are great Thanks Pete, that web site may come in very handy for me have a lot that married there just had a play on IGI and found 1. WILLM. BELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 11 JAN 1824 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England 2. HENRY BELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 19 JUN 1831 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, Engla as children for William and Mary, all ties in now. All saints fits in too

The marriage of Mary Simcox and William Bell is also there: WILLIAM BELL, BA otp and MARY SIMCOX, Sp, OTP Witnesses: Joseph Simcox and Ruth Simcox Now you have the family!

The marriage details of Mary SIMCOX and William BELL is transcribed and available online http://estone.homestead(.)com/AllSaintsMarriages.html Pete

Fantastic!!! Thank you all sooooo much, time to order certs :)

I have found a marriage: IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MARY SIMCOX Female Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: WILLIAM BELL Family Marriage: 09 SEP 1822 West Bromwich, Stafford, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know if the date is too early, but it seems a coincidence.

There is a marriage in 1837 which could explain the Bell children: Marriages Dec 1837 ----------------------------- Bell Mary West Bromwich 18 686 <======= CUTLER Elizabeth West Bromwich 18 686 Deans James West Bromwich 18 686 HADLEY Sarah West Bromwich 18 686 HICKMAN Phoebe West Bromwich 18 686 Kaladine Charles West Bromwich 18 686 PAGE Elizabeth West Bromwich 18 686 PARTRIDGE Benjamin West Bromwich 18 686 <======= SHEARGOLD Henry Wst. Bromwich 18 686 Chris

Benjamin Partridge and Mary Bell married in 1837. See FreeBMD Perhaps her marriage cert will say if she was formerly SIMCOX

Thank you Ivy, The simion is actually Simcox on the image I've only just found these Partridge lot so was looking for pointers to see where they all fit in, It seems too much of a co incidence that Ann was with them on the 41 cenus her Daughter Sarah on the 51 census and Benjamin was a witness at Anns first marriage, Just feel they have to fit in somewhere

It's not easy to sort this one out! Summary only: there are four surnames so far: Partridge, Bell, Simcox and Simion (as in Bible Simeon?). Benjamin has presumably been a Partridge throughout (I did wonder whether this is an Anglicised immigrant name, but I see there are 4,000 Partridges in England in 1841 and in 1851). The others belong to females. It seems OK at this stage to take Anne's word for her parentage, so take her as a Simcox. Mary's history is worth exploring - she has both Partridge and Bell (step?)children, but since the 1841 census rounded the ages, it would be helpful to see how these births fit. Did Benjamin have another wife before Mary? Could Anne be a sister of either Mary, or a previous wife of Benjamin's? Do you have the Partridge and Bell birth certificates or baptisms?

I have her marriage certs first one 1851 she is a spinster her father William Simcox but she is never with the family on any of the censuses

How do you know that Ann hadn't been married? I am not convinced the Bell children are anything to do with Them. Benjamin is a WHITE smith, not a WHOLE smith

1851 says SARAH SIMCOX - who is only 2, is Benjamins neice. So i'd guess that Ann is Bens sister

Ann's surname is Simcox and Benjamins is partridge so can't be brother and sister , unless half brother and sister?? I think Mary Partridge must have been married before she married Benjamin which is where the Bell children come from but can't find anything to prove it

yes thats the one, Ann simcox it should be, she had an illiegitimate daughter Sarah in 1849

1841 as transcribed , for ref Benjamin Partridge 30 Ezekiel Partridge 5 Mary Partridge 35 Samuel Partridge 10 all born staffordshire ------------------------------------------------------ Then there are some Bells... Then Ann (Simcot?)

Do you know Mary Partridge's maiden name?

Is Sarah Ann's daugther?